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timppu: I guess I am unaware of those as I am mainly still on Windows 7 at home. At work I do have Windows 10.

So what is the point of those "Windows Subsystem for Linux"? So that I could run bash on Windows? So... where does that leave PowerShell then? I thought it was supposed to be THE replacement for the old Windows Command Prompt that doesn't cut it anymore.
Poweshell as it turns out isn't as useful as they had hoped as it has a few arbitrary restrictions. Read here for technical details.
Reading this thread makes me afraid of booting my win10. I haven't boot into it for months I'll probably get stuck in update screen for hours
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kusumahendra: Reading this thread makes me afraid of booting my win10. I haven't boot into it for months I'll probably get stuck in update screen for hours
At most, it'll probably refuse to let you into the desktop proper without updating.
I use it because:

1. I'm a tinkerer

2. I like the way it looks and feels compared to Windows.

3. I thought switching to Mint from Windows would be a nice experience and require only a moderate amount of tinkering.

That being said the last reason is what I want to expand a bit upon because as much as I want to stay on Linux, I will have to go back to dual booting because Linux has a lot off issues with Bluetooth and Mesa (apparently Mesa is the driver for integrated Intel Graphic Chip and it could be for AMD too but I really have no clue). Even as basic and supported Linux Mint is, you still have to have greater than average proficiency at being able to come up with workarounds for issues with Wine, GPUs and Bluetooth. I found no way to avoid this.
Some reasons I use Linux:
1. No DRM*. Windows and MacOS both have DRM in the OS itself (try running MacOS on non-Mac hardware without hacks).
2. Can easily tinker with the OS. Here's something to try: Create a Linux system with just the kernel and busybox, and get it to boot to a command line. Try getting the system to run entirely from RAM (hint: initramfs). Not hard to do with Linux; you can't do the equivalent for Windows or MacOS. (If you want to try this, I suggest using a virtual machine.)
3. I actually prefer the command line to the GUI.

* There is something called DRM in the Linux kernel, but it's not the same thing: It stands for Direct Rendering Manager.
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kusumahendra: Reading this thread makes me afraid of booting my win10. I haven't boot into it for months I'll probably get stuck in update screen for hours
For what it's worth, I haven't had any problems like that. Granted, I don't go months without updating, but often 3-4 weeks as my slow connection at home never seems to finish downloading the updates. I get to a hotel with a good connection and it just works. The wife's Surface Pro 4 DOES go months without updates since it rarely leaves the house, and we haven't had problems with updating that unit, either. I'd say, let it run over night some time to get the updates. If you're not using it anyway, what's the worst that could happen?

That's not to say the updates don't manage to mess with a setting or two every once in a while...
... because I like to be in control of my computer. No telemetry. I saved 100eur for not buying the license.
What is most funny, with the W10 compatibility issues with old games, I could say that I like to play older windows games in Wine.

Also, I'm afraid I'm in IT.
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kusumahendra: Reading this thread makes me afraid of booting my win10. I haven't boot into it for months I'll probably get stuck in update screen for hours
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HereForTheBeer: For what it's worth, I haven't had any problems like that. Granted, I don't go months without updating, but often 3-4 weeks as my slow connection at home never seems to finish downloading the updates. I get to a hotel with a good connection and it just works. The wife's Surface Pro 4 DOES go months without updates since it rarely leaves the house, and we haven't had problems with updating that unit, either. I'd say, let it run over night some time to get the updates. If you're not using it anyway, what's the worst that could happen?

That's not to say the updates don't manage to mess with a setting or two every once in a while...
Yeah, I'll probably just leave it overnight and let it finish updating
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timppu: I guess I am unaware of those as I am mainly still on Windows 7 at home. At work I do have Windows 10.

So what is the point of those "Windows Subsystem for Linux"? So that I could run bash on Windows? So... where does that leave PowerShell then? I thought it was supposed to be THE replacement for the old Windows Command Prompt that doesn't cut it anymore.
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Darvond: Poweshell as it turns out isn't as useful as they had hoped as it has a few arbitrary restrictions. Read here for technical details.
Thanks. I didn't quite get the feeling from that (locked) discussion that PowerShell is more restricted, but its design philosophy is just quite different from e.g. bash. The piping example at the end of the page was good, I guess (e.g. how you do the "|grep something" in PowerShell), which probably also explains why I feel completely lost when trying to use PowerShell.

Anyway, in my current work I guess I will be learning more and more about using PowerShell. The nice(?) thing is that I will be using (and administrating) both Linux and Windows based systems, having to use both bash and PowerShell. So far I've used mostly bash though here, but I know some tools and stuff here expect me to do it from PowerShell. Maybe in a year or two I will also have an opinion about the strengths and weaknesses of bash vs. PowerShell.
I use it because:

- it's stable
- decently looking
- has tons of software
- much cheaper than all alternatives
- open source (more guarantee that it will still be there in the future)

The only thing I don't like is if something doesn't work and there is no documentation about it.
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Trilarion
Oh..

1. free software. stands for something, has a long history, if you don't like and want to improve - you can improve without getting permission.

2. tries to balance between driving closed source / opensource applications and closed / open hardware, giving maximum choice to users.

3. modular to bones, so you can replace or extend any component. You are in control, not some company.

4. it has no secrets and no surprises.

5. best supported among similar ecosystems.

6. very reliable and predictable, if something breaks it will 99.9% be faulty hardware.

7. pretty lean on resources.


I also use nixos, so

8. the only true binary/source mixed distribution that names packages by their build configuration and decides at update wither to build or to fetch.

9. all system configuration is defined by one file and in dedicated language, so its flexible.

10. updates are atomic, so there is no overwrites and no middle-state: it either updates (evaluates) or not.

11. can roll-back to any state (generation).

12. packages are isolated from each other and linked into one system, can combine multiple versions easily.

13. root filesystem including configuration files is read-only.

14, absolute minimal effort to manage the system. Configuration written once, manages everything in long run and can be copied to replicate whole system automatically...
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KasperHviid: I installed Lunux Mint a few days ago. Regrettably, the Surface laptop I installed it on refused to grant it wifi, so I had to go back to stupid Windows.
Oh, you need something like this, I think.
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Lin545
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kbnrylaec: 1. It fulfill all my needs. Stable, speedy, highly customizable. No, Windows and macOS are just not that customizable.

2. It is free! Free as in speech and free as in beer. Yes, you can pay to get Linux-related software or services, but usually you can get everything legally without cost of money.

(I use Linux as my primary OS for two decades.)
Oh boy this must be a response to my thread. Why not just post there instead of making a new one? Whatever I'll just resume from here.

1. Okay that's fair enough enjoy your costume UI

2. Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good. Like Cuban healthcare. If freedom is that important to you then Why not just download and play a bunch of free flash games? They're free and open source unlike the stuff on gog.
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ThorChild: I picked Linux as it is open source and that means it makes it hard for things inside it to be hidden or harmful for the end user; lots of eyes on the code tends to get things reported.
But gog sells closed source games. Doesn't this bother you?
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: Why not just post there instead of making a new one? Whatever I'll just resume from here.
If OP wanted to start a "discussion" with you, they'd respond to one of your posts. Go away.
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kbnrylaec: I educated myself bit by bit. Learned everything via books and webs.
Many people helped me but they are not my teachers. I never learn Linux in schools.

True™ Linux users often write scripts or programs, so I think I do a little coding.
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HereForTheBeer: Thanks, and sorry to hijack. Seemed like an opportunity to ask a question I'd been wondering.
There's no need to apologize, it's not like you were going to get an answer from my thread. But for all it's problems I actually recommend that you do try Linux. I'd very much like to know what your impressions are.
I'll even help you if you like. If you're afraid of losing your current Windows setup, don't be. There's a free program you can get that will image your thus restoring it exactly how it was making Linux safe to install and try. PM me if you'd like more information.
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Magmarock: Why not just post there instead of making a new one? Whatever I'll just resume from here.
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InkPanther: If OP wanted to start a "discussion" with you, they'd respond to one of your posts. Go away.
They really should have. This was kind of rude.
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: Oh boy this must be a response to my thread. Why not just post there instead of making a new one?...
I don't think so either. Sorry.

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Magmarock: ...Whatever I'll just resume from here.
Got code?