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JakobFel: I seriously don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Braggadar: This comment:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_started_a_new_wishlist_entry/post13

Flagged a notification for me. The only time this happens is when someone replies to a post but removes the quote block. I choose to believe this was intentional.
Do you see an edit note on that post? No. Getting triggered over literally nothing.

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JakobFel: Just because you're comfortable with a corporation stealing your data so they can profit off of it, that doesn't mean we all have to accept it.
Them dangling the carrot of free games so they have a legal excuse to do so is the sort of trash that I do not accept.
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BreOl72: You seem to miss the point (AGAIN!), that IT'S completely UP TO YOU, whether you "take the bait" - or not.

You don't want them "to steal" your data? (which they don't do, btw., since you give your consent by claiming the free game, despite being informed about "the costs" via the (not so) small print in the "Claim free game" field) - THEN DON'T CLAIM THE FREE GAME.

I'll repeat myself: despite your claim in your initial post, nobody is FORCING you to claim a free game.

No GOG employee is holding a gun at your temple or twisting your arm behind your back.

It's only your own greed that does it.

Here's a funny little fact (I'm quoting you here): "You don't HAVE to claim freebies".

You know: that very same little fact, to which you added: "...come on. Get outta here with that crap."

To say it with Taylor: "It's YOU, hi, YOU'RE the problem, it's YOU"
I'm not missing any point here. They give you a choice: don't claim freebies (which is very unlikely for someone to do considering the mess of an economy) or give them legal "consent" to steal my data.

Yes, they're stealing it. Sure, they have LEGAL "consent" but only because they used scumbag lawyerese to get it.

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THESLITHERYDEE: This old chestnut pops up yet again. There's no such thing as a free meal. Eat or don't. I could understand the outrage if it was hidden, but they are up front with what they are doing.
Don't call it a freebie or a giveaway if you're going to covertly opt a person in to legal "consent" (which is bullcrap) to steal a person's data.

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JakobFel: That would be my assumption as well. I don't mind GOG knowing that. I'm not comfortable with them giving that info to big tech data theft companies in exchange for money.

I don't think I ever called anyone a simp. I said people are simping.

It's crap because what person DOESN'T want to claim freebies if it's something that interests them? It's screwed up that they'd dangle a carrot and say "Hey, check it out, free games!" so they have a scumbag legal excuse to sell my data, claiming "but you consented!"

The adult thing to do is to stand up for your rights.

Yes, it is MY data because it's data on my system and my habits.

Just because you're comfortable with a corporation stealing your data so they can profit off of it, that doesn't mean we all have to accept it. Them dangling the carrot of free games so they have a legal excuse to do so is the sort of trash that I do not accept. Again, when GOG claims to be about freedom and ownership, yet their biggest PC competitor does the direct opposite with this privacy issue, there's something really wrong going on here.

Yeah, that's fair, I hadn't really noticed until recently. I've been mostly on Steam for the past year or so because of various reasons and coming back to this issue didn't exactly make me feel welcomed back... and many of the replies here only make that worse.

I'm okay with opt-in systems. I even opted in to them collecting data in Cyberpunk and on Galaxy so that they could improve their products. I'm NOT comfortable with them selling that data just because I claimed a free game, however. It's incredibly unfair and so starkly different from the whole "freedom and ownership" philosophy GOG used to have.
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marcob: That "edgy activist" attitude won't help and rarely has helped. It's mostly about endurance (a form of endurance is to not claim) and not about hassle. This kind of erosion has been going on since almost 20 years.
Anonymous are edgy (and cringey) activists. I'm just a regular guy who doesn't appreciate being screwed by a corporation that originally built itself up as a company dedicated to preserving games and gamers' rights.
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JakobFel: Do you see an edit note on that post?
Nope, not that it makes any difference in this case.
It's getting a little bit heated here so I believe it's ok to remind you guys to stay... calm before you break some rules. No calling names. No bully.
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JakobFel: I'm not missing any point here.
They give you a choice: don't claim freebies (which is very unlikely for someone to do considering the mess of an economy) or give them legal "consent" to steal my data.

Yes, they're stealing it.
Sure, they have LEGAL "consent" but only because they used scumbag lawyerese to get it.
Yeah, whatever.
I said all there is to say in that regard.
Makes no sense to repeat myself ad nauseam, when talking to a wall.
Let me try too. Let’s say that someone appears in front of your house and knocks at your door. You open and he says: “I’ve got this X item here (the game). If you want it, I would like to take some items from your house and I’ll share them with some friends of mine. What say you?”. You can answer YES or NO, it's your choice. Maybe you can see it as some sort of an exchange, [edit], but it's definitely not stealing.

Edit: instead of the item being totally free
Post edited September 04, 2024 by CarChris
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JakobFel: Do you see an edit note on that post?
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Braggadar: Nope, not that it makes any difference in this case.
Like I said, you're calling me out for something I didn't do.

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ponczo_: It's getting a little bit heated here so I believe it's ok to remind you guys to stay... calm before you break some rules. No calling names. No bully.
I'm not bullying or namecalling but apparently some folks here are insisting I am, even making up lies about me supposedly targeting them with a post edit or whatever. My only real anger here is directed at a policy with GOG, not with anyone in specific (whether in the community or with GOG employees). Just figured I'd clarify that so you, and everyone else here, know what my intentions are with this post.

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JakobFel: I'm not missing any point here.
They give you a choice: don't claim freebies (which is very unlikely for someone to do considering the mess of an economy) or give them legal "consent" to steal my data.

Yes, they're stealing it.
Sure, they have LEGAL "consent" but only because they used scumbag lawyerese to get it.
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BreOl72: Yeah, whatever.
I said all there is to say in that regard.
Makes no sense to repeat myself ad nauseam, when talking to a wall.
It's fine if you personally don't care, I'm not telling you that you have to. That doesn't mean all of us have to take it lying down. Some of us care about our rights and freedoms online. Gaming is supposed to be an escape, a way to de-stress, but some companies have taken it upon themselves to exploit us gamers for a bit of extra cash on the side.

I'm sorry but a customer should not have to pore through walls and walls of legal jargon just to know whether or not they're getting screwed.

Again, as I mentioned in my original post, the reason this bugs me so much with GOG specifically is because of who GOG always claimed to be. They made their rise because they always talked about gamers' rights and freedoms with DRM-free. I find it particularly malicious that they've gone and done the direct opposite of what they always claimed to be, hiding their actions behind legalese ToS agreements (seriously, we need a better system than garbage ToS and Privacy Policy agreements). I hold GOG to a higher standard than their competition because they were once so dedicated to fighting the garbage practices of the modern games industry, so when their biggest competitor goes and does the consumer-friendly thing while GOG does the anti-consumer thing, yes: I take issue with that.

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CarChris: Let me try too. Let’s say that someone appears in front of your house and knocks at your door. You open and he says: “I’ve got this X item here (the game). If you want it, I would like to take some items from your house and I’ll share them with some friends of mine. What say you?”. You can answer YES or NO, it's your choice. Maybe you can see it as some sort of an exchange, [edit], but it's definitely not stealing.

Edit: instead of the item being totally free
It's still bottom-of-the-barrel levels of scumbag territory to do that. What I own belongs to ME and I should not be pressured to give legal consent to data theft practices just because "b-but you claimed the free game!!"

As I said in the reply above, GOG always claimed to be the consumer-friendly, pro-ownership, pro-freedom platform. As such, I (like everyone else) have the right to hold them to a higher standard than their peers. When their biggest competitor, THE service that created the DRM scam within PC gaming, is the one doing the morally right thing by giving customers the option to fully customize (or even opt out of) data collection, yet the allegedly pro-consumer "freedom" platform forcefully opts you in if you claim anything free, there's a major issue there.

I really don't see how people are okay with that, or how people can defend that. Only a corporate lawyer should be defending it because this sort of garbage, it negatively impacts all of us except GOG and malware corpos like Google and Meta.
Post edited September 05, 2024 by JakobFel
https://i.imgur.com/Sw93KEH.png

We (GOG): Send you marketing emails and send some of your data to partner companies
You (customer): Get a game

Alternative arrangements do however exist, such as:

We (GOG): Get currency from you
You (customer): Get a game

Both are Capitalist options. Pick one.
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Braggadar: https://i.imgur.com/Sw93KEH.png

We (GOG): Send you marketing emails and send some of your data to partner companies
You (customer): Get a game

Alternative arrangements do however exist, such as:

We (GOG): Get currency from you
You (customer): Get a game

Both are Capitalist options. Pick one.
Tell that to, I dunno, Steam? Epic? Neither of those inherently force you to opt in to claim freebies.
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JakobFel: Tell that to, I dunno, Steam? Epic? Neither of those inherently force you to opt in to claim freebies.
Steam and Epic are a whole other thing, and don't need to perform acts of desperation to appease partners.
GOG are on a much lower level of success than them.

None of us like what they are doing, but it is what it is, and you can always opt out or avoid. I guess it depends on your own level of desperation to get a free game.

And at least they are open about it I guess, and didn't just do it secretly. And it could always be worse than what it is ... we can at least deselect the checkbox immediately ... and even do that with a script automatically.
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JakobFel: Tell that to, I dunno, Steam? Epic? Neither of those inherently force you to opt in to claim freebies.
And you think your data isn't being mined on Epic?
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JakobFel: Tell that to, I dunno, Steam? Epic? Neither of those inherently force you to opt in to claim freebies.
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Timboli: Steam and Epic are a whole other thing, and don't need to perform acts of desperation to appease partners.
GOG are on a much lower level of success than them.

None of us like what they are doing, but it is what it is, and you can always opt out or avoid. I guess it depends on your own level of desperation to get a free game.

And at least they are open about it I guess, and didn't just do it secretly. And it could always be worse than what it is ... we can at least deselect the checkbox immediately ... and even do that with a script automatically.
My point isn't to compare services, but to compare ethics. If GOG, as the allegedly pro-consumer, pro-ownership, pro-freedom platform, is now doing megacorp level tactics while their competitors aren't, there's a problem.

I've already reduced my purchases on GOG for a few other issues they've had (some of which I had even when I was basically a GOG fanboy and are still unresolved), this sort of thing only makes me want to reduce it further. If more people here put their foot down like they did with the Hitman fiasco a few years back, this wouldn't be a problem.

I refuse to justify or play devil's advocate with this sort of thing. They sell our data using underhanded tactics; just because they do make it a bit more open than some companies, that doesn't make it okay.

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JakobFel: Tell that to, I dunno, Steam? Epic? Neither of those inherently force you to opt in to claim freebies.
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Braggadar: And you think your data isn't being mined on Epic?
Could you at least try to discuss in good faith? It's bad enough you threw accusations my way, there's no point in using "gotchas" in the discussion.

I didn't say Epic and Steam don't harvest your data. I said that they don't opt you in to the data collection by claiming freebies. There's specifically an option to share your data with the developer/publisher but it's opt-in, rather than opt-out. As for Steam, they give you an entire page to select what (if any) data you share with them. That should be *GOG* having a customization page for data collection. It should be the platform that is supposed to be all about the customer, their rights and their freedoms, as GOG always claimed to be.

That is, ultimately, the point of what I'm saying here. It's disgusting that GOG pretends to be so pro-consumer yet does shady, underhanded tactics to get you to legally opt into them stealing and selling your data. I wouldn't even be mad if they had data collection opt-out by default if only they had a customization page like that and didn't automatically opt you back in any time you claim a freebie.
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JakobFel: ...underhanded tactics...
It's obvious you won't listen to good reason. All I'm hearing is a very entitled and greedy person without an ounce of personal responsibility.

I'm through with this waste of time.
What a non-issue.
You get a free game with a handful of clicks, unchecking the Trusted Partners box in you settings with a couple more shouldn't be a problem.
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NuffCatnip: What a non-issue.
You get a free game with a handful of clicks, unchecking the Trusted Partners box in you settings with a couple more shouldn't be a problem.
Actually, it is indeed a huge issue, because there is no guarantee that one's data won't be sold, if one is to take a gamble on that process described in the quoted text.

In fact, at least one poster on this board has claimed that his data was sold despite him having done exactly what you said; he says he started to receive junk email at an email address which he only ever used for the purpose of signing up to GOG "giveaways," and nothing else.

But most people are not going to bother to make a GOG-specific email address solely for the purpose of claiming GOG "giveaways."

So this problem could very well be much more widespread than we currently know about, since if it has happened to many other people, most of them would never have any way to trace back the source of their incoming junk mail spam to claiming GOG "giveaways," and they would never think of GOG as being the source, even if that is happening a lot.
Post edited September 05, 2024 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: In fact, at least one poster on this board has claimed that his data was sold despite him having done exactly what you said; he says he started to receive junk email at an email address which he only ever used for the purpose of signing up to GOG "giveaways," and nothing else.
And yet, here I am (once again) with the complete opposite experience.

You may remember me - I think, I replied to similar posts of yours at least twice, already.

How about, instead of referencing "one poster on this board [who] has claimed that his data was sold" (how exactly does this mysterious poster know that, btw?), you post something of your own?

You know: first hand experience.

Oh, and: if that mysterious poster claims, he "started to receive junk email at an email address which he only ever used for the purpose of signing up to GOG "giveaways," and nothing else", then the probability is pretty damn high, that that mysterious poster simply forgot to unsubscribe from the notifications.

You know: the ONE thing one has to do, each time, one claims a freebie.
Post edited September 06, 2024 by BreOl72