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OldFatGuy: I am seriously at the end of my wits now. Never have I felt like just checking out like I do now.
This last part bothered me a bit since I know how important online accounts and stuff concerning computers are to some people. How are you doing? Feel free to send a message in chat if you need to vent.
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DetouR6734: You do realise how hard that is, right?

You don't see the big picture, which seems to be pretty normal around here.
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clarry: What you don't see is the countless ways a vulnerability (which are a dime a dozen) in the software you use could leak the master password. I think that's much more likely than my house burning down.
You do realise it's opensource.

You do realise ANY password you type in on your computer with internet access is accessible through various means anyway?

You do realise the bugs like Spectre ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability) have been around quite a long time? and that your information has been vulnerable.

As i said, a key file is also required, non of this needs to be on your computer all the time, a simple USB stick and it's kept out of harms way. If your systems infected, then regardless of which method you use, your passwords are not safe.

Keep walking around with your eyes closed, i know the list of possibilities, and to tell me that passwords written on paper is perfectly secure is just laughable, as soon as you start typing it in, it's at risk.
Post edited July 29, 2019 by DetouR6734
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clarry: What you don't see is the countless ways a vulnerability (which are a dime a dozen) in the software you use could leak the master password. I think that's much more likely than my house burning down.
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DetouR6734: You do realise it's opensource.

You do realise ANY password you type in on your computer with internet access is accessible through various means anyway?

You do realise the bugs like Spectre ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability) have been around quite a long time? and that your information has been vulnerable.

As i said, a key file is also required, non of this needs to be on your computer all the time, a simple USB stick and it's kept out of harms way. If your systems infected, then regardless of which method you use, your passwords are not safe.

Keep walking around with your eyes closed, i know the list of possibilities, and to tell me that passwords written on paper is perfectly secure is just laughable, as soon as you start typing it in, it's at risk.
Could you not just have a combination of all these? Have a password manager setup with high security on a securely locked pen drive. Then also have them written out on paper stored securely. Plus have backups, lots of backups. You could use a safe, but also have an offsite storage for things.
There isn’t a one stop shop which covers all eventualities, there needs to be various layers and mediums to try to account for as many possibilities as possible.
And yes, it may be a nuisance to write passwords out, however when you change them all once a month (I assume we are all regularly changing them on random days), you could then print it all out and mail it to your third party hence getting the backup in place.
Multiple mediums, locations, practices, plus regular changing, and of course backing up are all basic tools to trying to remain secure whilst not losing anything.
Oh, and avoiding social media sites or data sinks as they are better known, nothing will compromise you faster than trusting Zuckerburg.
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DetouR6734: You do realise it's opensource.

You do realise ANY password you type in on your computer with internet access is accessible through various means anyway?

You do realise the bugs like Spectre ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability) have been around quite a long time? and that your information has been vulnerable.

As i said, a key file is also required, non of this needs to be on your computer all the time, a simple USB stick and it's kept out of harms way. If your systems infected, then regardless of which method you use, your passwords are not safe.

Keep walking around with your eyes closed, i know the list of possibilities, and to tell me that passwords written on paper is perfectly secure is just laughable, as soon as you start typing it in, it's at risk.
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nightcraw1er.488: Could you not just have a combination of all these? Have a password manager setup with high security on a securely locked pen drive. Then also have them written out on paper stored securely. Plus have backups, lots of backups. You could use a safe, but also have an offsite storage for things.
There isn’t a one stop shop which covers all eventualities, there needs to be various layers and mediums to try to account for as many possibilities as possible.
And yes, it may be a nuisance to write passwords out, however when you change them all once a month (I assume we are all regularly changing them on random days), you could then print it all out and mail it to your third party hence getting the backup in place.
Multiple mediums, locations, practices, plus regular changing, and of course backing up are all basic tools to trying to remain secure whilst not losing anything.
Oh, and avoiding social media sites or data sinks as they are better known, nothing will compromise you faster than trusting Zuckerburg.
True, but it's keeping an ever changing set of passwords updated. Too many backsup can leave you open aswell as too little.

Nothing is perfect, and the major flaw is the human part of it.

Offsite storage is handy, you could use a bank or whatever and stash em as valuables, but it needs updating, even a few months behind could be detrimental.

Even now my backups are older than they should be, but i don't change mine, unless i feel as though i have too, if the site admins increase the amount of characters, i'd change the password with a more secure one, but i have that many changing them monthly would be a nightmare (and to be fair, i don't see the point)

For me i keep even my email accounts pretty private, i use usernames for logins if possible rather than email, and i don't like having the same username (like for this forum) as my login, as that gives the attacker one less thing to find out.

Steam has the right idea, your username for logging in isn't public, so the attacker has to find out what my steam login username is or go via an alternative route using my email, which is one of many.





I've thought about online storage, just for say the keyfile, but even that opens up another means of access, as if they download it, you may never know they have.

I have my backup with me when i go out, but i rarely have my device plugged in unless i'm using it, so it would have to be done within a timeframe, and to be honest though my setup isn't perfect it's pretty decent.



I did use an ingame language as a code for passwords before now, and usernames for that matter, but with the amount of accounts you can have these days and various things to remember, the more awkward it is for you to access said information, the more likely it is you're going to get a little bit lazy, and it only needs to be once and you could have accidentally open access to everything you have.




It requires a balance, too inconvenient and you could start getting lazy, make mistakes, too convenient and you could pretty much be handing over your accounts on a silver platter.
Post edited July 29, 2019 by DetouR6734
So I was looking around on Windows Explorer and found something (see screenshots 1&2). Anyone know if that might help me recover some of what I lost? In fact I found TWO directories with that name. (screenshots 3&4). Of course, even if it did have some of the info I need.... I have no clue how to get it from this directory to a place where Firefox recognizes and uses it when I'm browsing.
Attachments:
capture1.jpg (42 Kb)
capture2.jpg (87 Kb)
capture3.jpg (57 Kb)
capture4.jpg (172 Kb)
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OldFatGuy: So I was looking around on Windows Explorer and found something (see screenshots 1&2). Anyone know if that might help me recover some of what I lost? In fact I found TWO directories with that name. (screenshots 3&4). Of course, even if it did have some of the info I need.... I have no clue how to get it from this directory to a place where Firefox recognizes and uses it when I'm browsing.
All the info you need is here:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/recovering-important-data-from-an-old-profile

I hope this helps.
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Kobi-K: All the info you need is here:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/recovering-important-data-from-an-old-profile

I hope this helps.
I got most of my bookmarks back!!!! No passwords, but at least I got most of my bookmarks back.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
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You can try to manually copy the data files from your old data directory to the new one:

C:\Users\<your Windows login username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\

Also, if you do that, make sure to first close firefox.
Post edited August 01, 2019 by Kobi-K
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Themken: I strongly advise avoiding system restore at all times and to turn the damn thing OFF.
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phaolo: System Restore saved me the PITA to reinstall and reconfig the OS and my 100+ programs various times.
I'm using Win7 with a script to create points more frequently tho.
It's absurd that Win10 disabled it..
Agreed, System Restore has saved my bacon in the past more then once. It's a great last resort when pretty much everything has failed.
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Kobi-K: You can try to manually copy the data files from your old data directory to the new one:

C:\Users\<your Windows login username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\

Also, if you do that, make sure to first close firefox.
I switched to the profile that was closest to the date when this happened... and I got all of my bookmarks (I think) back. But no passwords. Not a single one. It said the profiles store everything, including passwords, but when I switched back to that profile from before this whole mess happened, there are no passwords... or at least they're not autofilling like they used to.

Anyway, I'm way, way, way better off than I was before. Thank you so much. I don't have a clue about what my passwords are so it would've been really good if the profile had included the passwords, but maybe I can figure something out. At least now I've got links to all of my bills and financial stuff back. I couldn't remember their addresses (which isn't too big a deal as I could have searched for that) but the more important thing was I couldn't remember all of the sites I owed bills to. Every month I would just click on those bookmarks, one after another, and pay my bills.

But when this happened I realized I had no idea how many there were or what all of them were. And now I've got them all back. So there is that progress.

Anyway, thanks again.
Post edited August 01, 2019 by OldFatGuy
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Kobi-K: You can try to manually copy the data files from your old data directory to the new one:

C:\Users\<your Windows login username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\

Also, if you do that, make sure to first close firefox.
OMG!!!! Success!!!!

I'm right back where I was before the shit storm hit!!!!!! I've got all bookmarks, passwords, history, everything looks just like it did before this whole mess happened.

OMG I can't possibly thank you enough. Whew. My stress just nose dived about 100 levels.

Please, may I gift you a game for saving my ass?
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Man, I love happy endings. Glad your issue got solved, OP!
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Kobi-K: You can try to manually copy the data files from your old data directory to the new one:

C:\Users\<your Windows login username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\

Also, if you do that, make sure to first close firefox.
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OldFatGuy: OMG!!!! Success!!!!

I'm right back where I was before the shit storm hit!!!!!! I've got all bookmarks, passwords, history, everything looks just like it did before this whole mess happened.

OMG I can't possibly thank you enough. Whew. My stress just nose dived about 100 levels.

Please, may I gift you a game for saving my ass?
No need to, I'm just glad I could help.
Post edited August 01, 2019 by Kobi-K
Well done!
Btw please save\backup that important info also elsewhere!
Post edited August 01, 2019 by phaolo
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OldFatGuy: It looks like I may have reached my end. In order to check to see if these issues were in fact a result of a Windows Update, I did a system restore (like I've done dozens of times since about Windows 7 IIRC) and sure enough, immediately after the system restore was done, I clicked Play on Eschalon, and boom, right into the game. No problem. Proof Positive that it was the update that did it. I didn't really need proof positive as I've done this before and proven Microsoft updates screw up games.

But now I am royally fucked. I tried to revert back to today. Tells me there are no restore points. Huh? When I chose this one from before there were 7 to choose from. Now it insists there are none.

I am seriously at the end of my wits now. Never have I felt like just checking out like I do now.
First off, you have my sympathies for having to go through such sh*te. I wouldn't wish such on anyone(I have lost systems due to crashes and failures over the years).

Second, one your age should know better and have made backup restore point DVDs/etc and also backed up the bookmarks and such to a portable drive or similar.
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DetouR6734: But this is the problem these days, and it's easy to do, you get use to these little conveniences, but you forget how easy this shit is to blow up in your face, i have numerous accounts (over 30+) the majority of them have passwords over 24+ characters and some with High ANSI characters if they are accepted, but i'd never remember any of them.


Is it easy? no, is it convenient? yes and no, it's safer as each password is random, but it isn't perfect, typing it in each time and stuff. But you have control, more than you ever will through firefox and the like.
Not to rag but 24+ character passwords is OVERKILL....you're not exactly storing NSA files or similar so why the level of security?
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DetouR6734: Oh Lol, yeah thats an old way but you can't really do long complex passwords so well with those, and if someone gets a hold of it, you're buggered, unless you back it up, which is still an open book and if they are quick will change the passwords before you do.

I used to use a language from an old game i played, since the font was avialable online, printed them out in that language, but i also mixed it up, and coded it, so you'd need to know how i did it in order to be able to read it, but it's a bigger pain in the ass than a password manager, and easier to lose, or even forget how to crack it yourself.
Again, this level of security isn't needed for some games and weird pron...just my two cents.
Post edited August 02, 2019 by GameRager