From skimming through the conversation I thought it was only on Steam. It's just that I've seen similar conversations play out endlessly with "I want the game, but I don't want it on Steam, but I want the game, but I don't want it on Steam..." and the only purpose for them was not to find a solution but to whine about it, and I can't stand that type of stuff.

In this case I agree, if you can get it somewhere else DRM-free then it's simpler to just get it there and be over with.

Already have X3 TC, Worth $6 to get BTA in my case? (i assume soundtracks come with any purchase? )

But we don't live in an ideal world, so assuming that people want to play a game that has DRM without the DRM (and that it isn't available DRM-free elsewhere) then they should go through the effort of buying the games then torrenting it, something that would allow then to both support the developers and play the games. The other option is to not buy it and not play it. If you think it's not worth the effort or that you would then play it but not pay for it, well that's on you.

Even if they were Steam exclusives, suggesting to buy the bundle (go against your principles) and then torrent them (probably another go against your principles) isn't what I'd call a "solution".

Being one of the "whiners", maybe it's worth me explaining why. It's less about trying to annoy other users and more to alert developers that there are different types of users out there.

Yes, I get why people who've invested a lot of money in Steam and who genuinely enjoy achievements etc. will support Steam.

But for someone like me, Steam is worse than vaporware: at least vaporware doesn't inconvenience me.

And yes, there are workarounds to DRM, but I've gotten to the point where I'm no longer interested in wasting my time pursuing them. If a game studio wants my money now, they need to sell me a game that doesn't inconvenience me. And if that makes me a whiner, well then I'm happy to be one :)

Like I said, I thought they just didn't want Steam, not that any "principles" might be hurt. As for torrenting it, the same way having a ROM as a back up is perfectly fine when you do have a legal copy of the game, if I legally buy a copy of a game I don't see how deciding to download it through a torrent client instead of another client is in any way wrong or an offense to someone's principles.
If you feel justified, that's perfectly fine, so is advocating for a DRM-free version and letting the devs know about it, because that is doing something. It's people sitting around wallowing in self-pity and agreeing with each other for ten pages that "it sucks :-(" and not doing anything constructive to change that, that I don't like.

This Steam discussion is incredibly boring. Can we go back to fucking keeveek now?

Some of us prefer discussing Steam to experiencing Steam ;-)

wait you want to transform this thread in an orgy ? :D

Hey guys, somebody doesn't want X3:TC, X3:AP and/or the superbox ? If so then they'd find a good home with me. I'm willing to exchange Rocketbirds and A Virus Named Tom. It's not much, but... :/

I may or may not have gotten the bundle (BTA) as a gift code. I PM'd Shadowcat69 - if they don't respond to me by tomorrow night I may or may not give it to someone else who wants it :)

(I already own every X game except Rebirth [the new one]) - I think that the bundle is very worth it, if you can get past the Steam requirement.

... Oh, I didn't know that. Well I knew that the base bundle was like this but they've done similar things in the past and I was kind of counting on the over-than-average bundle not to be like this. Bummer.

Well in any case, thanks for wishing me good luck. With that news I might have to cross fingers. :(

PM Sent. Don't cross those fingers too hard, you may break em :p

I know I have already flooded you with thanks in private but thank you very much again ! :D