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dtgreene: I don't like Humbe Bundle because they encourage DRM by selling DRM-encumbered games, and when I last checked, I didn't see a way to filter the store to only show DRM-free games.

These days, when I buy a bundle from there, the Humble Tip gets none of my money. (The Electronic Frontier Foundation gets would would otherwise be the Humble Tip portion when possible.)
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/drm/download
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flanner: humble bundle sells just steam keys, right?

so choice is clear - gog
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Post edited January 02, 2016 by amok
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flanner: humble bundle sells just steam keys, right?

so choice is clear - gog
No, they carry a LOT of DRM-free games. Did you not read the posts on the first page?
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zeogold: [...]
Humble Bundle:
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+1 for giving larger cut to developers.
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zeogold: snip
Pretty much this.
As much as I adore GOG,sometimes it's best for me to buy on Humble due to the Dollar price here in Brazil.
But as you said,sometimes Humble puts some freaking awesome and unbelievable bundles like the Origin,Egosoft and Paradox bundles.
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AccurateArt: This brings up an interesting point for me. How does Humble Bundle handle updates for these games and does it get updates the same time as Steam does for the titles?

Anyone know about this?
From what i've seen, you basically have to find the game in your library and it will tell you the date when it was last updated, so if it's a newer version you just download the whole thing again. Clunky but works.
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Post edited January 02, 2016 by rtcvb32
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zeogold: snip
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l0rdtr3k: Pretty much this.
As much as I adore GOG,sometimes it's best for me to buy on Humble due to the Dollar price here in Brazil.
But as you said,sometimes Humble puts some freaking awesome and unbelievable bundles like the Origin,Egosoft and Paradox bundles.
I have no time for this "glorious DRM-free revolution" nonsense. If it's cheap, it's cheap, DRM or no DRM. I only buy GOG when I can afford it or when the games are available nowhere else. Steam, only when the games simply can't be bought any other way.
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zeogold: [...]
Humble Bundle:
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amok: +1 for giving larger cut to developers.
I believe I mentioned that, allowing you to choose exactly how much money goes where.
Post edited January 02, 2016 by zeogold
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seppelfred: I bought BOUT 2 for 8.29 Euros here on GOG at the winter sale.
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comboplayer: Lol you could have bought it on Steam with achievements.
I hate steam and I hate drm. Valve didn't see one cent from me since they launched steam. And they never will. And who needs achievements? I never understood that thing. It's useless crap to me. I just want to play some games and have fun. That's all.
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flanner: humble bundle sells just steam keys, right?

so choice is clear - gog
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zeogold: No, they carry a LOT of DRM-free games. Did you not read the posts on the first page?
post of founder is one line.
im interested in old games anyway and never saw any in the humble bundle..
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seppelfred: And who needs achievements? I never understood that thing. It's useless crap to me. I just want to play some games and have fun. That's all.
5 good reasons we stopped caring about Achievements
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comboplayer: Lol you could have bought it on Steam with achievements.
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seppelfred: I hate steam and I hate drm. Valve didn't see one cent from me since they launched steam. And they never will. And who needs achievements? I never understood that thing. It's useless crap to me. I just want to play some games and have fun. That's all.
On the one hand, I see this type of angry response towards Valve and on the other extreme we have the "no Steam no buy" folks. While I see both sides arguing with each other, I just do not feel very strongly about these things. I enjoy shopping from both GOG and Steam depending on the circumstances.

With regards to achievements, I do enjoy them if done correctly. There are some dumb ones - like the one for Mega Man 10 on Xbox that was something akin to "complete the game by not getting hit" but if done right, achievements can vary the way that you play to make the experience a bit more interesting.
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zeogold: No, they carry a LOT of DRM-free games. Did you not read the posts on the first page?
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flanner: post of founder is one line.
im interested in old games anyway and never saw any in the humble bundle..
I said postS. As in plural. As in, ALL the posts on the first page, including this one:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/humble_bundle_vs_gog/post4
and this one:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/humble_bundle_vs_gog/post17
mainly.
And there are actually sometimes old games in Humble, you just have to catch the right bundle. I dunno how old you go back, but I got Black Mirror (1993), Worms (1995), Grim Fandango (remastered, yes, but still technically an old game), and the You Don't Know Jack pack (starting from 1995), the latter two being DRM-free.
And there are some great new games worth playing, such as Braid or Lumino City or The Raven, all real gems of games that you can get from there.
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seppelfred: I hate steam and I hate drm. Valve didn't see one cent from me since they launched steam. And they never will. And who needs achievements? I never understood that thing. It's useless crap to me. I just want to play some games and have fun. That's all.
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AccurateArt: On the one hand, I see this type of angry response towards Valve and on the other extreme we have the "no Steam no buy" folks. While I see both sides arguing with each other, I just do not feel very strongly about these things. I enjoy shopping from both GOG and Steam depending on the circumstances.

With regards to achievements, I do enjoy them if done correctly. There are some dumb ones - like the one for Mega Man 10 on Xbox that was something akin to "complete the game by not getting hit" but if done right, achievements can vary the way that you play to make the experience a bit more interesting.
Exactly this. I don't care about it as long as the games are fun. Achievements can also be rewarding because they encourage you to explore, master, and enjoy the game in ways you wouldn't do otherwise. Sometimes they drop hints on how to get easter eggs, add an extra puzzle, or make you use your skills in ways you wouldn't think of. Sometimes, yeah, they're a bit overkill, but it also gives you a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction and proof that you've done the thing you can otherwise only claim to have completed (would YOU believe somebody who said they beat that game without getting touched?).
Post edited January 02, 2016 by zeogold
Nice question here.

GOG wins hands down though. So let's begin. What does Humble Bundle has? That's right, the bundle part. You get games bundled in a... bundle you see at a cheaper price. The other advantage being that occasionally, they also sell Android games, and the PC and Android Bundles are quite the best pick-ups for being DRM-free, for all PC platforms as well as available for Android. And that's it.

Humble Bundle, 80% of the time, will put up a bundle that is Steam keys only. Or the DRM-free game being the one on the top tier, in which case buying it on GOG is a better investment. Humble Bundle also for some reason, can't let me log in with either Internet Explorer or Microsoft Edge, forcing me to get a secondary browser just to download or buy the games there. Other times it'll be a bunch of DRM-free but more Steam keys. It is inconsistent as you see.

Not long ago, there was a bundle where the Steam keys beat the DRM-free games in total. Right now, there is the Square Enix bundle, all Steam'd to hell. Not even longer ago though, the NEO GEO bundle had more DRM-free games than Steam games (exclusive or not).

Add to all of this the slow support, them blocking bitcoin payments for the same bundle if another payment is made in the next 24 hours after the initial one, the clunky website structure, and updates being not as visible, and its not pleasing. Though kudos for the bitcoin payment feature.



On GOG's side, ALL GAMES ARE DRM-FREE. None of the madness Humble Bundle suffers from. You buy it from GOG, its DRM-free. Don't think about it. Not only that, they come with their extras. Why should I stop here? Their support is outstanding if what I hear here is any indicator. GOG optimizes their games to run on modern operating systems. Their website is less clunky than Humble Bundle and can let me log in from any browser. If a game receives an update, it puts a notification on my Accounts tab and lets me know which game got an update. And then I've got GOG's own community features, friends, chat, forums, whatever.
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PookaMustard: Nice question here.

GOG wins hands down though. So let's begin. What does Humble Bundle has? That's right, the bundle part. You get games bundled in a... bundle you see at a cheaper price. The other advantage being that occasionally, they also sell Android games, and the PC and Android Bundles are quite the best pick-ups for being DRM-free, for all PC platforms as well as available for Android. And that's it.

Humble Bundle, 80% of the time, will put up a bundle that is Steam keys only. Or the DRM-free game being the one on the top tier, in which case buying it on GOG is a better investment. Humble Bundle also for some reason, can't let me log in with either Internet Explorer or Microsoft Edge, forcing me to get a secondary browser just to download or buy the games there. Other times it'll be a bunch of DRM-free but more Steam keys. It is inconsistent as you see.

Not long ago, there was a bundle where the Steam keys beat the DRM-free games in total. Right now, there is the Square Enix bundle, all Steam'd to hell. Not even longer ago though, the NEO GEO bundle had more DRM-free games than Steam games (exclusive or not).

Add to all of this the slow support, them blocking bitcoin payments for the same bundle if another payment is made in the next 24 hours after the initial one, the clunky website structure, and updates being not as visible, and its not pleasing. Though kudos for the bitcoin payment feature.

On GOG's side, ALL GAMES ARE DRM-FREE. None of the madness Humble Bundle suffers from. You buy it from GOG, its DRM-free. Don't think about it. Not only that, they come with their extras. Why should I stop here? Their support is outstanding if what I hear here is any indicator. GOG optimizes their games to run on modern operating systems. Their website is less clunky than Humble Bundle and can let me log in from any browser. If a game receives an update, it puts a notification on my Accounts tab and lets me know which game got an update. And then I've got GOG's own community features, friends, chat, forums, whatever.
I still say Humble is better. Don't want the Steam keys? Don't use them! Or just give them away. It's still much cheaper for the games you ARE getting.
And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that the lack of decent support doesn't really matter that much and I can see why they don't care. Why am I going to go whine about one game that I can't get to work when I already got $50+ worth of games otherwise? If I can't get that ONE to work, they're not about to refund me for the whole bundle. That's ridiculous. Plus, if you're not paranoid about DRM, you use the Steam key as sort of your "backup" copy.
And seriously, who cares about bitcoins? I didn't know people actually used those things.
Post edited January 02, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: I still say Humble is better. Don't want the Steam keys? Don't use them! Or just give them away. It's still much cheaper for the games you ARE getting.
Sorry, I don't want Steam keys regardless of the price. If I do get one, I can give or trade away, but I'm pretty sure that a bundle that's full of Steam games to the brim is not exactly a bundle I would buy. Note that by "Steam games" I mean Steam only keys, no DRM-free downloads.

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zeogold: And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that the lack of decent support doesn't really matter that much and I can see why they don't care. Why am I going to go whine about one game that I can't get to work when I already got $50+ worth of games otherwise? If I can't get that ONE to work, they're not about to refund me for the whole bundle.
Heh, I didn't talk refunds by the way. I just said 'support' as in 'support'. The staff themselves. As I know, they couldn't help me with an issue in time of purchasing that bundle. Dun dun. Plus, nice logic you got there. what if that one game that doesn't work out of the other $50+ games you have is the game that drove you to buy the bundle? It could be a mediocre bundle of RPGs with Final Fantasy V in the middle, a gem, and, you're gonna shrug it off when it doesn't work just because you have other mediocre games from that bundle? Heh.

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zeogold: That's ridiculous. Plus, if you're not paranoid about DRM, you use the Steam key as sort of your "backup" copy.
Why do I ever need a Steam key as a 'backup' copy? If I got the game DRM-free, from anywhere, I don't need a backup of any sorts that relies on a DRM service. The Steam key is at best, a code to be thrown away in a giveaway or sold.

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zeogold: And seriously, who cares about bitcoins? I didn't know people actually used those things.
I don't know how many are there who care about bitcoins, but apparently they're there no doubt. Don't shrug it off just because you don't use it. The fact that I'm right in front of you talking about bitcoins is enough to make you doubt what you said.
Post edited January 02, 2016 by PookaMustard
For being a loyal GOG user / member for oldies rather than DRM-Free reason, Humble Bundle gets my preference for added Steam keys to the deal and regular bundles.