Posted May 18, 2017
richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
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Wishbone
Red herring
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richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
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Posted May 19, 2017
Wishbone: I don't think anyone in this discussion are good guys or bad guys. We're all just people with varying opinions. Mentally dividing everyone else into Us and Them is probably not going to do much more than escalate hostilities. It's certainly not a recipe for more measured and civilized discussions.
OK, I'll go with nitpicker. ;p It's a vague descriptor, meaning different things to different people. In the case of foruming, I think it can be argued that rationality is universally "good", and you strike me as one of the more rational people on this forum. So yeah, you're one of the "good" guys.
fishbaits
7/4/2012 - 9/5/2017
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From Ukraine
Posted May 19, 2017
Wishbone: I don't think anyone in this discussion are good guys or bad guys. We're all just people with varying opinions. Mentally dividing everyone else into Us and Them is probably not going to do much more than escalate hostilities. It's certainly not a recipe for more measured and civilized discussions.
One of us, one of us, heeheeheeheehee.tfishell
Remorse: The List, if you like FPS psych horror
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Posted May 19, 2017
So basically the only answer is to self-pity in the forums?
richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
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tfishell
Remorse: The List, if you like FPS psych horror
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Posted May 19, 2017
Only one thing left to do then, I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiFO7qV54E
paladin181
Cheese
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Posted May 19, 2017
richlind33: This seems an odd thing to say, seeing as we recently managed to win a small concession from GOG.
I find it very sad that so many people in this world are uncomfortable being empowered.
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The stench of BS is so thick you could cut it with a knife. (not referring to you, JMich)
Not uncomfortable. Rather disillusioned. I see the rolling tides around me and know stemming them for the time being is a mere delaying tactic. Eventually everything will be overwhelmed. Did you see that the FCC has killed net neutrality? Despite the roaring outcry against that idea, the ISP lobbyists cash spoke louder.Not enough people care about the good ideals to exact change. We try, and occasionally we win small victories, but the war is a scorched Earth campaign wherein we are giving up ground all too frequently. I find it very sad that so many people in this world are uncomfortable being empowered.
.
The stench of BS is so thick you could cut it with a knife. (not referring to you, JMich)
I'm tired of fighting the fight that so few really care about. We are a small vocal minority now, even here on GOG. We will be heard, evaluated, and calculated as an acceptable loss in the end, I fear.
Toast_burner
Burner of Toast
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Posted May 19, 2017
low rated
I've seen a few of these threads and I still can't get my head around what the problem is. Galaxy is pretty much just an installer, you select the game you want, click download, wait for it to download, then close it and you never have to open it again until you want to download something else.
I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
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Posted May 19, 2017
high rated
Toast_burner: I've seen a few of these threads and I still can't get my head around what the problem is. Galaxy is pretty much just an installer, you select the game you want, click download, wait for it to download, then close it and you never have to open it again until you want to download something else.
I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
Galaxy does not automate the installation of your offline installers. That would be redundant anyway. I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
The offline installer is a simple solution, really. Download the installer, double click and set up the install folder and accept terms and tell it whether you want shortcuts or not, click install, sit back and enjoy. You can then take this installer to another PC in the household, and another, and to your friend who has the game on GOG but would rather give the installer to him than make him suffer downloading...
Galaxy on the other hand is NOT an offline installer. You need the internet to click 'DOWNLOAD' and to install the game. If you do this on every other PC, say 2 or 3, you download the same game 2 or 3 times, and why when you can already download just one copy of the game and install it on three at the same time?
So the reason why go with the installers over Galaxy? Installations on more than one PC, offline installations as Galaxy will not install a thing offline but offline installers work offline, saving bandwidth...
Post edited May 19, 2017 by PookaMustard
AB2012
Registered: Sep 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted May 19, 2017
high rated
Toast_burner: I've seen a few of these threads and I still can't get my head around what the problem is. Galaxy is pretty much just an installer, you select the game you want, click download, wait for it to download, then close it and you never have to open it again until you want to download something else.
I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
As PookaMustard said, the advantages to Offline Installers are:- I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
1. You only need to download a game once, forever. Imagine you have +500 games and have just bought a new PC / HDD / SSD. It's far faster to plug-in an external backup HDD with backed up installers on over a weekend, than to re-download the whole lot over the space of weeks / months, especially if you don't have fibre / unmetered Internet.
2. Longevity guarantee. It may be "DRM-free" but real security comes with truly offline as well. If you rely on a server (any server) and worst case anything happens to GOG and all Galaxy server's get shut down, then what do you do when you need to reinstall? As mentioned before, the key to maintaining a old-game collection is to minimize / eliminate "external dependencies" for re-installing in years to come when brand-specific online services may come and go, not simply swap some of them with others.
3. You maintain control and freedom of choice over your games when potentially inferior "remastered" versions attempt to replace them. Love old Baldur's Gate but not the new one? Like Bioshock 1 but not the "remastered"? Want original Day of the Tentacle to play on a tablet via ScummVM but not the 10x larger remastered version? With offline installers you are 100% guaranteed to keep those originals indefinitely regardless of what publishers of remastered games want you to accept, whilst the store you bought it from may well forcibly "upgrade" your library to only the latter (not just for new purchases, but potentially existing customers if their policy changed for that).
You say "I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it" when really the single most biggest long-term advantage to GOG over Steam is precisely the offline installers and the above mentioned advantages they bring. Take that away and it's just "Steam-Lite" with a slightly more reliable "Offline Mode".
Toast_burner
Burner of Toast
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Posted May 19, 2017
Toast_burner: I've seen a few of these threads and I still can't get my head around what the problem is. Galaxy is pretty much just an installer, you select the game you want, click download, wait for it to download, then close it and you never have to open it again until you want to download something else.
I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
AB2012: As PookaMustard said, the advantages to Offline Installers are:- I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it.
1. You only need to download a game once, forever. Imagine you have +500 games and have just bought a new PC / HDD / SSD. It's far faster to plug-in an external backup HDD with backed up installers on over a weekend, than to re-download the whole lot over the space of weeks / months, especially if you don't have fibre / unmetered Internet.
2. Longevity guarantee. It may be "DRM-free" but real security comes with truly offline as well. If you rely on a server (any server) and worst case anything happens to GOG and all Galaxy server's get shut down, then what do you do when you need to reinstall? As mentioned before, the key to maintaining a old-game collection is to minimize / eliminate "external dependencies" for re-installing in years to come when brand-specific online services may come and go, not simply swap some of them with others.
3. You maintain control and freedom of choice over your games when potentially inferior "remastered" versions attempt to replace them. Love old Baldur's Gate but not the new one? Like Bioshock 1 but not the "remastered"? Want original Day of the Tentacle to play on a tablet via ScummVM but not the 10x larger remastered version? With offline installers you are 100% guaranteed to keep those originals indefinitely regardless of what publishers of remastered games want you to accept, whilst the store you bought it from may well forcibly "upgrade" your library to only the latter (not just for new purchases, but potentially existing customers if their policy changed for that).
You say "I honestly can't think of a single advantage the old installer had over it" when really the single most biggest long-term advantage to GOG over Steam is precisely the offline installers and the above mentioned advantages they bring. Take that away and it's just "Steam-Lite" with a slightly more reliable "Offline Mode".
My line of thinking was that you need to have an internet connection anyway to download the game, so even the issue of "what if gog shut down or change something about the game" would still apply when using the old installer. It didn't really occur to me that people keep backups of the installer files rather than the actual game files, which I guess makes a lot of sense if you have a lot more to back up than I do.
richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
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Posted May 20, 2017
richlind33: This seems an odd thing to say, seeing as we recently managed to win a small concession from GOG.
I find it very sad that so many people in this world are uncomfortable being empowered.
.
The stench of BS is so thick you could cut it with a knife. (not referring to you, JMich)
paladin181: Not uncomfortable. Rather disillusioned. I see the rolling tides around me and know stemming them for the time being is a mere delaying tactic. Eventually everything will be overwhelmed. Did you see that the FCC has killed net neutrality? Despite the roaring outcry against that idea, the ISP lobbyists cash spoke louder.Not enough people care about the good ideals to exact change. We try, and occasionally we win small victories, but the war is a scorched Earth campaign wherein we are giving up ground all too frequently. I find it very sad that so many people in this world are uncomfortable being empowered.
.
The stench of BS is so thick you could cut it with a knife. (not referring to you, JMich)
I'm tired of fighting the fight that so few really care about. We are a small vocal minority now, even here on GOG. We will be heard, evaluated, and calculated as an acceptable loss in the end, I fear.