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Posted February 13, 2018
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StingingVelvet: You can chuckle all you want, but it is what it is. Of course many games can be had without DRM, but the vast majority cannot. If you're the type who loves Deus Ex but can live without playing Human Revolution, even when it's been on sale for the price of a rental, then hey... more power to you I guess.
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Breja: Christ on a bun. Just listen to yourself. The type who "can live without playing Human Revolution". Yes I can. Anyone who is not completely insane can. I love gaming, but in the end it's just a game. It's people like you who give big publishers the power to fuck everyone over, because you "can't live" without playing their big name titles, no matter how shitty the deal is. Bring on DRM, bring on pre-order exclusives, DLCs, microtransactions. You'll pay. After all, you can't live without it.

There's more great DRM-free games out there than either of us is likely to have the time to ever finish. My backlog (counting new games only, no classics!) translates to over a 100 hours of gameplay. My wishlist (again, counting new games only) is many times that. And that's just on GOG, and I'm a picky bastard, I'm only interested in a fraction of the games available here. And according to you that's "boycotting PC gaming". Sure. Fine. Whatever.
I'm just glad I don't have this mentality, as there is so many brilliant games I would not experienced then. Currently thoroughly enjoying Fallout 4. But yes, it is your choice, and you will have enough games to last a life time, but your choice in games is much, much smaller than mine.
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: I'm just glad I don't have this mentality, as there is so many brilliant games I would not experienced then. Currently thoroughly enjoying Fallout 4. But yes, it is your choice, and you will have enough games to last a life time, but your choice in games is much, much smaller than mine.
Oh no, my choice in games is smaller. Woe is me, whatever shall I do :D I guess I'll have to live without Assassin's Duty XXVIII Revenge of the Lootbox. Instead I'll have to give my money to smaller publishers and developers who respect their clients while making great games. Oh, mine is a sad lot in life.

What is really sad is people who "can't live" without some games and refuse to have any standards in what they support trying to preach like their mentality is the one to be admired.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by Breja
Posted February 13, 2018
I'm somewhat okay with Steam itself as DRM, not in principle, but in practice, the chance of not being able to play my games is negligible, and nor does it spy on me or reduce performance. It's way more efficient than Galaxy, in terms of system resources. If a game is on both GOG and Steam, I prefer the GOG version provided there's no features missing, especially achievements but also cloud saving. Any extra DRM - Uplay, Tages, Securom etc. - is right out. DRM on top of DRM... To quote a wise sage, ''it's like puking on a pile of ****''.
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: I'm just glad I don't have this mentality, as there is so many brilliant games I would not experienced then. Currently thoroughly enjoying Fallout 4. But yes, it is your choice, and you will have enough games to last a life time, but your choice in games is much, much smaller than mine.
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Breja: Oh no, my choice in games is smaller. Woe is me, whatever shall I do :D I guess I'll have to live without Assassin's Duty XXVIII Revenge of the Lootbox. Instead I'll have to give my money to smaller publishers and developers who respect their clients while making great games. Oh, mine is a sad lot in life.

What is really sad is people who "can't live" without some games and refuse to have any standards in what they support trying to preach like their mentality is the one to admired.
Don't choke on all that ignorant hyperbole you delusional moron.
Posted February 13, 2018
I do! I already had very bad experience with DRMs when games I bought stopped working on new Win7 because of Starforce DRM. And when I came to GOG, well, I was glad that I don't need to get games from other sites. :)

There was my attempt to make purchases in DRMed store - Uplay. I really like Far Cry 3 and Brothers in Arms series. And I decided to give them a try. That went completely wrong. I coudn't unlock level for the Far Cry 3 I just bought because UPlay Club didn't allow me to connect and don't let my game to interact with itself! So, I found that I can't access some parts of game I just payed my money because of some stupid technical issues. And I understand that is somehow my ISP gets blocked from Uplay - I will be unable to launch my copy of game at all!

So, I returned to GOG and I will NEVER again buy any game with DRM from Origin, Steam, Uplay or any other store as long as it demand Internet verification or any other type of DRM.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by Andrey82
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: I'm just glad I don't have this mentality, as there is so many brilliant games I would not experienced then. Currently thoroughly enjoying Fallout 4. But yes, it is your choice, and you will have enough games to last a life time, but your choice in games is much, much smaller than mine.
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Breja: Oh no, my choice in games is smaller. Woe is me, whatever shall I do :D I guess I'll have to live without Assassin's Duty XXVIII Revenge of the Lootbox. Instead I'll have to give my money to smaller publishers and developers who respect their clients while making great games. Oh, mine is a sad lot in life.

What is really sad is people who "can't live" without some games and refuse to have any standards in what they support trying to preach like their mentality is the one to admired.
*shrug* I really don't care much about your hyperbole, too busy playing games I guess? And yes, I also live happily without Assassin's Duty XXVIII Revenge of the Lootbox, but I am glad I have experienced Borderlands and Grow Home.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by amok
Posted February 13, 2018
I don't buy any Steam-only games, however still register any complimentary Steam keys on my Steam account on principle (1. because I think giving them away is for the most part unethical and 2. because a shitty backup is still a backup).

Unfortunately I've found that having a large number of untouched games on my Steam account hurts my credibility when I venture onto the Steam forums to ask developers about DRM-free releases. I've been called a pirate for not wanting to use Steam, I've then also in the same thread been called a pirate for having a lot of games on Steam.
Posted February 13, 2018
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SirPrimalform: I don't buy any Steam-only games, however still register any complimentary Steam keys on my Steam account on principle (1. because I think giving them away is for the most part unethical and 2. because a shitty backup is still a backup).

Unfortunately I've found that having a large number of untouched games on my Steam account hurts my credibility when I venture onto the Steam forums to ask developers about DRM-free releases. I've been called a pirate for not wanting to use Steam, I've then also in the same thread been called a pirate for having a lot of games on Steam.
Do not worry about dumb people. For a lot of these anything but steam = copyright infringement. They do not just don't know any better, they completely fail to grasp the concept in such a hilarious retarded way that you might fear something inside of them would break if they ever start to understand it.

That what angers/annoys you most is probably not even their comments itself, but your brain refusing to go that deep down on the ladder to judge if they are for real or not.

Just don't waste any energy; the effort will be on even footing as helping special people without the satisfying benefit of actually helping real special people in need.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by anothername
Posted February 13, 2018
I was exclusively Steam up untill october last year, several things happened at once including the push of CC by Bethesda and the removal of support for several of my very few games I've purchased and play, because of my Anti-CC stance the mountain of negativity was astounding, with no forum moderation to limint the flaming posts flying about like leaves on a strong wind. Since then I've moved to GoG and have not purchased a single item on steam, instead all my purchases have been here.
I'm not going to "Stop" using steam due to the amount I've invested there, but I'm sure as H$%# not going to spend another dime over there.

I had preordered close to 500$ in games, and every preorder was canceled EXSPECIALY if it had the Bethesda logo anywhere near it, and I can honestly say I'm not sorry, I just wish people who feel the way I do, still on steam, would come over to GoG, but I'm not going to crusade for it due to the 2000X amount of trolls they have compaired to here.
Posted February 13, 2018
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Dejavous: I was exclusively Steam up untill october last year, several things happened at once including the push of CC by Bethesda and the removal of support for several of my very few games I've purchased and play, because of my Anti-CC stance the mountain of negativity was astounding, with no forum moderation to limint the flaming posts flying about like leaves on a strong wind. Since then I've moved to GoG and have not purchased a single item on steam, instead all my purchases have been here.
I'm not going to "Stop" using steam due to the amount I've invested there, but I'm sure as H$%# not going to spend another dime over there.

I had preordered close to 500$ in games, and every preorder was canceled EXSPECIALY if it had the Bethesda logo anywhere near it, and I can honestly say I'm not sorry, I just wish people who feel the way I do, still on steam, would come over to GoG, but I'm not going to crusade for it due to the 2000X amount of trolls they have compaired to here.
I still don't get the hatred for Creators Club...

I recently bought Fallout 4, and have played about 90 hours now (and not even half-way through the content). I have not clicked that button once... the game works perfectly well without it. I have also installed a couple of mods from Nexus, no problem.

For me the difference of a Bethesda game before CC and after is.... zilch....
Posted February 13, 2018
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Dejavous: I was exclusively Steam up untill october last year, several things happened at once including the push of CC by Bethesda and the removal of support for several of my very few games I've purchased and play, because of my Anti-CC stance the mountain of negativity was astounding, with no forum moderation to limint the flaming posts flying about like leaves on a strong wind. Since then I've moved to GoG and have not purchased a single item on steam, instead all my purchases have been here.
I'm not going to "Stop" using steam due to the amount I've invested there, but I'm sure as H$%# not going to spend another dime over there.

I had preordered close to 500$ in games, and every preorder was canceled EXSPECIALY if it had the Bethesda logo anywhere near it, and I can honestly say I'm not sorry, I just wish people who feel the way I do, still on steam, would come over to GoG, but I'm not going to crusade for it due to the 2000X amount of trolls they have compaired to here.
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amok: I still don't get the hatred for Creators Club...

I recently bought Fallout 4, and have played about 90 hours now (and not even half-way through the content). I have not clicked that button once... the game works perfectly well without it. I have also installed a couple of mods from Nexus, no problem.

For me the difference of a Bethesda game before CC and after is.... zilch....
it's simple, this means the DEATH of single player games from Bethesda they are perfecting their version of Microtransactions in ALL their games meaning EVERY single Bethesda release will be Pay to win not to mention the fact that this opens up the very real possability they will charge for every "patch" "update" or "bug fix" all the while preventing the Fan Base from freely creating mods and distributing them to the people for "FREE"

Look at the documentation from Bethesda "they pay" the indivigual an minimum amount to develope a working "mini-dlc" then claim intelectual property to said release, making them the sole recpient of all revenue from said release, it's disgusting that you or I could come up with an idea to improve the gaming exp and only get 100$ while Bethesda makes millions on it.
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: I still don't get the hatred for Creators Club...

I recently bought Fallout 4, and have played about 90 hours now (and not even half-way through the content). I have not clicked that button once... the game works perfectly well without it. I have also installed a couple of mods from Nexus, no problem.

For me the difference of a Bethesda game before CC and after is.... zilch....
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Dejavous: it's simple, this means the DEATH of single player games from Bethesda they are perfecting their version of Microtransactions in ALL their games meaning EVERY single Bethesda release will be Pay to win
I'm withholding my judgement on that until this actually happens. If Fallout 4 is to be judged by it, it is not true, and we don't really know anything about any upcoming Bethesda games. I tend to not scream "the sky is falling" without reasons. If it is THE DEATH or not is still to be seen.

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Dejavous: not to mention the fact that this opens up the very real possability they will charge for every "patch" "update" or "bug fix" all the while preventing the Fan Base from freely creating mods and distributing them to the people for "FREE"
There is absolutely nothing in this that makes bugs, patches or updates to be paid for, that's just illogical and FUD. if Bethesda ever does this it would be extremely stupid of them and will lead to their death. I doubt this will happen.

And I still get free mods for F4 from nexus, working perfectly, even though it has CC. So far the evidence is for the opposite.

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Dejavous: Look at the documentation from Bethesda "they pay" the indivigual an minimum amount to develope a working "mini-dlc" then claim intelectual property to said release, making them the sole recpient of all revenue from said release, it's disgusting that you or I could come up with an idea to improve the gaming exp and only get 100$ while Bethesda makes millions on it.
aye, it is a rip off. but then again, I got my mods from nexus, so...
Post edited February 13, 2018 by amok
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: *snip*
I have absolutely no issues other then the "gameplay" related type with FO4 or SkyrimSE my issue is with CC and CC only.
Yes as of right now you can get free mods for them because they have been out on the market for over a year.. I'm talking about future items like Fallout online which ironicaly will be a hot mess and with CC dictating what you can or can not do "mod" wise.

I give Bethesda about 4 years before their popularity falls below EA.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by Dejavous
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: *snip*
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Dejavous: I have absolutely no issues other then the "gameplay" related type with FO4 or SkyrimSE my issue is with CC and CC only.
Yes as of right now you can get free mods for them because they have been out on the market for over a year.. I'm talking about future items like Fallout online which ironicaly will be a hot mess and with CC dictating what you can or can not do "mod" wise. [...]
any source on this?
Posted February 13, 2018
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amok: And I still get free mods for F4 from nexus, working perfectly, even though it has CC. So far the evidence is for the opposite.
Funny this game should be brought up: I just installed it and about 80 mods (all from Nexus) last night.
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