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Posted November 16, 2015
The closest thing I can find is this

3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you. You can gift GOG games and GOG videos to other people (up to a limit of 5 per day and provided the recipient doesn’t already own the GOG game/video being gifted) however this might differ on a case by case basis, but you can't sell them or charge money for them.
It says the account is personal to me, and that I can't sell or charge for games.

There is nothing in the Agreement to forbid letting a private individual using my games. And I'm fairly sure if there was it would not be legally binding.
Posted November 16, 2015
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mechmouse: There is nothing in the Agreement to forbid letting a private individual using my games. And I'm fairly sure if there was it would not be legally binding.
There is nothing on the subject of lending, because GOG can't grant you that right anyway. That would be the right holder (usually developers and/or publishers of the game in question), who provide their own EULAs with every game. And those are legally binding, unless they violate local law...
Post edited November 16, 2015 by Randalator
Posted November 16, 2015
MOst games I looked at just had the default GoG agreement.

Far Cry 2 has this

The User is authorised to use the Multimedia Product in accordance with the instructions provided in the manual or on the packaging of the Multimedia Product.
The Licence is granted solely for private use.

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

The User cannot sell, sublicense or lease the Multimedia Product to a third party.
The User can only transfer the Multimedia Product if the recipient agrees to the terms and conditions of the Licence. In this event, the User undertakes to transfer all components and documentation relating to the Multimedia Product. He also undertakes to delete any copy of the Multimedia Product from his computer. In this event, this Licence is automatically and immediately terminated.
The User acknowledges that Ubisoft may collect and use certain User data in accordance with the privacy policy accessible on the website .
Again "Personal Use" and nothing about not letting family members using it. Note: PUBLIC lending of copyrighted material is against the law, and as such doesn't need to be included.

There is also this line

The User can only transfer the Multimedia Product if the recipient agrees to the terms and conditions of the Licence. In this event, the User undertakes to transfer all components and documentation relating to the Multimedia Product. He also undertakes to delete any copy of the Multimedia Product from his computer. In this event, this Licence is automatically and immediately terminated.
Absolute permission to transfer ownership. There is a similar line in TombRaider EULA which VALVe and Square-ENIX would not honour.


And of course there is this

9. Can I enjoy my purchases both on my laptop and desktop computer at home?
Yes. We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household. So yeah, if you've got a render-farm in the basement, you might actually break the world record for the number of legal Witcher installations in one household. However, if you think about installing your game on a friend's machine or sharing it with others then please don't do it, okay
Its a little vague on whether someone that lives in the house can use it. May be I can install it on Son's computer but he can't use it.
Post edited November 16, 2015 by mechmouse
Posted November 16, 2015
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mechmouse: Again "Personal Use" and nothing about not letting family members using it. Note: PUBLIC lending of copyrighted material is against the law, and as such doesn't need to be included.
Please stop. If you don't understand what "personal use" means, does not mean that others don't understand either.
Posted November 16, 2015
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mechmouse: Again "Personal Use" and nothing about not letting family members using it. Note: PUBLIC lending of copyrighted material is against the law, and as such doesn't need to be included.
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mindblast: Please stop. If you don't understand what "personal use" means, does not mean that others don't understand either.
Actually I do understand the phrase "Personal Use". More So "Personal Use" has no direct legal definition and exists more as an abstract collection of actions not directly forbidden by copyright laws.

Where "Fair USe" has clear guide line in copyright law the phrase "Personal Use" does not. In the context given it effectively means non-commercial use. In short it can not be used directly or indirectly to make money for the license owner.

"Personal Use" does not mean it can only be used by the person in question.

Rather nice article here
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/DRM_personal_use.pdf
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: nah, but you do come off a bit as an ass setting yourself up as an "authority" on what jargon to use, then use wrong jargon
I was going to point out how this is weapons-grade behavior projection on your part considering what you, Mindblast, asbeau have said so far. But really the fact that you followed up accusing me "setting myself up as authority on what jargon to use"... with stating literally right afterwards that I "use[d] wrong jargon" as if you were.... you know... setting yourself up as an authority on what jargon to use, says it already for me.

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amok: All you have shown yourself to be so far is everything which is wrong with DRM free movement... angry, fundamental and a discourse driven by propaganda.
All you have shown yourself to be so far is everything which is wrong with the DRM apologetics movement... condescending, behavior projecting, and using deliberate misinterpretation of language usage you actually understood perfectly fine to shut down valid criticisms.

I mean, I can't help but notice how not a one of you three has addressed my technical concerns regards the last time I had to use an enforced client.

I am gratified to see that other people have successfully disputed mindblast on the "having unrestricted access to installing and playing our games" part, so I'll leave them to that bit.
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: nah, but you do come off a bit as an ass setting yourself up as an "authority" on what jargon to use, then use wrong jargon
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Jeysie: I was going to point out how this is weapons-grade behavior projection on your part considering what you, Mindblast, asbeau have said so far. But really the fact that you followed up accusing me "setting myself up as authority on what jargon to use"... with stating literally right afterwards that I "use[d] wrong jargon" as if you were.... you know... setting yourself up as an authority on what jargon to use, says it already for me.

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amok: All you have shown yourself to be so far is everything which is wrong with DRM free movement... angry, fundamental and a discourse driven by propaganda.
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Jeysie: All you have shown yourself to be so far is everything which is wrong with the DRM apologetics movement... condescending, behavior projecting, and using deliberate misinterpretation of language usage you actually understood perfectly fine to shut down valid criticisms.

I mean, I can't help but notice how not a one of you three has addressed my technical concerns regards the last time I had to use an enforced client.

I am gratified to see that other people have successfully disputed mindblast on the "having unrestricted access to installing and playing our games" part, so I'll leave them to that bit.
Notice how those people said "access"?...
Posted November 17, 2015
i boycott them from my birth as ive never been registred there.

that concept of not fully controlling and owning your software is nasty for me from the earl begining.
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: Notice how those people said "access"?...
Presumably they learned their lesson from what I dealt with, that they will have to waste their time being overly precise so folks can't willfully misinterpret language usage they actually understood perfectly fine as a way to derail from addressing valid criticisms.

Sad, really, that we can't just simply have a friendly discussion without all the pedantry because some people can't handle being friendly, gracious, and courteous in how they converse.
Posted November 17, 2015
I used to boycott Steam games.

Now I only boycott the mandatory client. And since you can't get the games without the client...
Posted November 17, 2015
Boycott would be an understatement.
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: Notice how those people said "access"?...
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Jeysie: Presumably they learned their lesson from what I dealt with, that they will have to waste their time being overly precise so folks can't willfully misinterpret language usage they actually understood perfectly fine as a way to derail from addressing valid criticisms.

Sad, really, that we can't just simply have a friendly discussion without all the pedantry because some people can't handle being friendly, gracious, and courteous in how they converse.
Indeed. It is sad when a first reply to a post to someone you have never seen before has to be snarky comments and put down. I agree, it is.much better to have courteous and friendly discussions..
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: Indeed. It is sad when a first reply to a post to someone you have never seen before has to be snarky comments and put down. I agree, it is.much better to have courteous and friendly discussions..
Glad we're agreed, since if folks had followed that advice when initially responding to me, we wouldn't have had all this unpleasantry in the first place. From here on out it would be good to be more gracious and accepting and assuming of good faith when responding to people. *offers handshake*
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HereForTheBeer: I used to boycott Steam games.

Now I only boycott the mandatory client. And since you can't get the games without the client...
Honestly this is more the reason why I boycott Steam.

I haven't even gotten to extensively try GOG Galaxy because once again it just didn't work right at all with my system when I installed it, much like Impulse's client didn't. So even aside from the philosophical considerations, I don't potentially want more games that are locked to a client that will then proceed to not work on my system. One is bad enough.
Post edited November 17, 2015 by Jeysie
Posted November 17, 2015
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amok: Indeed. It is sad when a first reply to a post to someone you have never seen before has to be snarky comments and put down. I agree, it is.much better to have courteous and friendly discussions..
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Jeysie: Glad we're agreed, since if folks had followed that advice when initially responding to me, we wouldn't have had all this unpleasantry in the first place. From here on out it would be good to be more gracious and accepting and assuming of good faith when responding to people. *offers handshake*
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HereForTheBeer: I used to boycott Steam games.

Now I only boycott the mandatory client. And since you can't get the games without the client...
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Jeysie: Honestly this is more the reason why I boycott Steam.

I haven't even gotten to extensively try GOG Galaxy because once again it just didn't work right at all with my system when I installed it, much like Impulse's client didn't. So even aside from the philosophical considerations, I don't potentially want more games that are locked to a client that will then proceed to not work on my system. One is bad enough.
If they sold their DRM-free titles without mandatory use of the client to obtain the installation file(s), then I would consider Steam. And I would likely buy some titles that use only a serial key (with no online look-up) since that is an acceptable DRM level for me - as the onus of not losing that serial number falls on me - as long as I could, again, get the installation file(s) from Steam without using the client.

But I'm only one guy (sure, there are others in the same boat) and the client is not an obstacle for many millions of other buyers so I don't see that there is any leverage from my stance. If they can that policy (mandatory client), I don't suspect it will be from pressure from people like myself. And that's life. At least there are alternatives for us, so the self-imposed boycott of Steam doesn't really bother me. There are plenty of other retailers I don't use - for various reasons - and this is no different. <shrug>
Posted November 17, 2015
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flanner: i boycott them from my birth as ive never been registred there.

that concept of not fully controlling and owning your software is nasty for me from the earl begining.
You don't fully own software no matter where you get it from. Also, with that stance I hope you don't own something like an Iphone or basically any console.
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