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Posted September 28, 2012
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mystikmind2000: Currently i am boycotting civ5 on Steam/other because as the price goes down over time for everyone else, for my region the price stays shiny and new nice and high, (Australia). So they can shove it! (i don't know if Steam have anything to do with it or it is all the game developers idea or what?)
It's a well known fact you guys are ripped off when it comes to video games at least plus I hear your have some nice censorship too. :/
Posted September 28, 2012
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Nirth: It's a well known fact you guys are ripped off when it comes to video games at least plus I hear your have some nice censorship too. :/
My friends tell me it is much cheaper to order a retail game from abroad and pay for postage of an individual item, rather than buy locally. Middlemen in Australia are making a lot of money. Dishonestly.
Posted September 28, 2012
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anjohl: Steam revised their TOS, and retroactively applied it to past purchases, which is against the law.
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Nirth: They actually banned or suspended your account or are you actively refusing to use it?
Steam gave me a prompt demanding that I willingly abandon some of my legal rights, on threat of denying access to my past purchased games, even those already installed.
Posted September 28, 2012
True, but i never get ripped off with overly priced games because i never buy them! It is only that i would actually really like to play civ5 but i am blessed with a very strong suborn streak, so i will continue to wait for the price to come down, and if i have to wait another 10 years, another 20 years!!! well i will do so.

Edit: What else i forgot to mention, the last time i upgraded my PC was to run X3 Reunion better. Ever since then i have basically been looking backwards for new games to play, that is how i came to find this site. So all those new games, i don't even know they exist, let alone how pricy they are in Australia compared to other? Only Civ5 seems to have this extra long lifespan to its high price in Australia??
Post edited September 28, 2012 by mystikmind2000
Posted September 28, 2012
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Nirth: It's a well known fact you guys are ripped off when it comes to video games at least plus I hear your have some nice censorship too. :/
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Dzsono: My friends tell me it is much cheaper to order a retail game from abroad and pay for postage of an individual item, rather than buy locally. Middlemen in Australia are making a lot of money. Dishonestly.
Yeah, I've heard and I have to say I'm not sure "much cheaper" is really fitting here. Then again it's subjective of how much cheaper it really is.

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anjohl: Steam gave me a prompt demanding that I willingly abandon some of my legal rights, on threat of denying access to my past purchased games, even those already installed.
Eh? And you just gave up with 300 games?! I'm sorry, doesn't it make more sense to at least use those 300 games and stop paying for more.

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mystikmind2000: True, but i never get ripped off with overly priced games because i never buy them! It is only that i would actually really like to play civ5 but i am blessed with a very strong suborn streak, so i will continue to wait for the price to come down, and if i have to wait another 10 years, another 20 years!!! well i will do so.
You should find someone who you trust in a region that avoid censorship and ridiculous prices (US?) then gift the games to you and you pay them back some other way. I guess finding someone who you trust is harder than it looks if you don't know anyone in that area already.
Posted September 28, 2012
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MonstaMunch: Ok, I misunderstood, but I still don't really get it. Are you saying that Steam giving an optional system for gamers to meet and communicate is being used as some sort of bribery in exchange for accepting abuse?
That's how it works in every "free" for-profit social network: people get services without monetary payment, and the company gets to abuse them in return. The more invested you are in the network, the more abuse you will bear before quitting. Of course, this component of Steam is secondary to games distribution and therefore quantifiably less evil than its oligopolic hold on games distribution.
Posted September 28, 2012
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Nirth: Eh? And you just gave up with 300 games?! I'm sorry, doesn't it make more sense to at least use those 300 games and stop paying for more.
Steam/Valve basically forces an ultimatum upon you - either you issue a binding statement that you agree to the new terms and conditions there and then by clicking on "I Agree", or you can't access your previous purchases.

I contacted Steam Support and they turned very obnoxious about it. That was pretty much the last time I bought something directly from them.

Bear in mind that the new TOS is also applied to the previous purchases.
Post edited September 28, 2012 by jamyskis
Posted September 28, 2012
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Starmaker: That's how it works in every "free" for-profit social network: people get services without monetary payment, and the company gets to abuse them in return. The more invested you are in the network, the more abuse you will bear before quitting. Of course, this component of Steam is secondary to games distribution and therefore quantifiably less evil than its oligopolic hold on games distribution.
I still don't get it. Skype lets me do a whole bunch of social communications stuff, and to my knowledge has never abused me. It uses it as a platform to offer me services that cost money, but I don't consider being offered paid services to equate to abuse. Steam does roughly the same thing, it uses my friends list to show me what products I might be interested in (and it often gets it right), but again, I don't see how that equates to abuse, especially given that it's entirely optional from the outset.
Posted September 28, 2012
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Nirth: Eh? And you just gave up with 300 games?! I'm sorry, doesn't it make more sense to at least use those 300 games and stop paying for more.
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jamyskis: Steam/Valve basically forces an ultimatum upon you - either you issue a binding statement that you agree to the new terms and conditions there and then by clicking on "I Agree", or you can't access your previous purchases.

I contacted Steam Support and they turned very obnoxious about it. That was pretty much the last time I bought something directly from them.

Bear in mind that the new TOS is also applied to the previous purchases.
Okay. I didn't even read it, it's way too long. Is this about the whole no more possible civil suits against them? :P
Posted September 28, 2012
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Nirth: Okay. I didn't even read it, it's way too long. Is this about the whole no more possible civil suits against them? :P
Among other things, although the class action issue only really applies in the US. Enforced arbitration is not permitted in most European jurisdictions anyway, as the right to legal recourse is enshrined in law in many EU nations. That's primarily what the whole situation with the vzbv is about here in Germany at the moment.

The changes also include a rather broadly worded ban on importing games or using games from other regions,
Posted September 28, 2012
I don't have a Steam account I never will unless Steam starts officially to sell DRM free installers that let me to install and play games off-line forever without any activation requirements.
Posted September 28, 2012
I haven’t touched Steam over all the years until last year when Deus Ex came out and I really wanted to have that game for the PC.

I still don’t like it (Steam) though and don’t plan to buy any other Steam titles. For me, software that is bound to Steam is defective by design. And it’s not worth the full price or a price above $10 to me for that matter. However, I still only consider buying games that cheap and on sales on Steam that I really have an interest in. In general, I simply ignore games that make use of DRM such as Steam, Origin or similar systems.
Posted September 28, 2012
I refuse to buy steam games - I've only ever bought one, and that was because I bought a boxed copy online and the website didn't say it needed steam.

To be honest, I just don't get steam - I don't see the point of achievements and I don't play muliplayer so it really has no benefit for me.
Posted September 28, 2012
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pds41: I don't see the point of achievements and I don't play muliplayer so it really has no benefit for me.
I also don't do achievements or multiplayer, but it still has some benefits for me:

- Games that use other DRM often don't work for me. I have been able to play every single game I've bought from Steam (well, at least the ones I've tried), even when the DRM has prevented me from being able to play it when purchased from other sites like GG.

- It does a good job of predicting what I might want to buy and telling me about it. I've found a bunch of games that way that I otherwise wouldn't have known about or looked into.

- Their prices are the best in the industry for the games they sell.

- I really like the backup feature where you just click a button and it backs up all my games and stuff to an external drive or different computer. It would take me frigging ages to do that one by one.

- I like being able to join groups that are specific to the games I'm playing, so I can communicate in real time to other people who are playing the same game. That's not always useful, but it can be, and it's nice doing it from one centralized place rather than having to join a million different sites for a million different games.

- It always accepts my money (well, at least since it let me make an account). Every other site occasionally flags my card and stops me from using it until I prove to customer support that I'm a real human being with real money. Steam doesn't question me, it just takes my money and offers to take more.

I used to rage about Steam because at one point, it thought Cambodia didn't exist and wouldn't let people here buy stuff. But since they started letting me give them my money, they've been really great.
Posted September 28, 2012
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anjohl: I have a very large collection of games in my Steam account; approximately 300 that I now do not have access to. I am on a Lifetime boycott until they cease their coercive attempts to strip me of my legal rights by removing my access to my games.
Well this is just sad. You have all these games and you don't play them because you didn't accept. Wouldn't of it been easier (and a lot smarter) just to accept and never buy another game off of steam?

If you want to lose all those games than don't let your stupidity stop you. I payed for my games and I sure as hell will make sure I can keep playing them.
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