It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
SimonG: Do you know the Pirate Party?
Well, I think that if you name yourself "Pirate Party" you support unlimited digital sharing, but, if you prefer, I'll check it in the Wikipedia:

- Pirate Parties support...reform of copyright and patent law, free sharing of knowledge (Open Content)...
- The Pirate Party of Germany... it is part of the international movement of pirate parties and is also a member of the Pirate Parties International. The party favors...reforms of copyright.

I don't think you can see digital sharing (piracy) negatively and support the Pirate Partei.
avatar
MichaelPalin: I don't think you can see digital sharing (piracy) negatively and support the Pirate Partei.
"I think polygamy with the current laws/customs is wrong. I support a reform of the polygamy laws/customs, which will hopefully make polygamy a socially acceptable thing in the future".
Isn't it more or less the same as what you think as impossible above?
avatar
MichaelPalin: I don't think you can see digital sharing (piracy) negatively and support the Pirate Partei.
I don't see digital sharing negatively. Quite the contrary. As long as the content creators get compensated for their work I don't see anything wrong with sharing. Current legislation needs to be reformed, but that doesn't mean that I am against the concept of copyright. I'm actually a supporter of "piracy" as I think cultural goods should be free for everyone regardless of income. I do not like people who have the income to buy those products and don't do it out of personal greed. The current side by side of commercial usage and piracy is working fine for the most part. I would like it more if we could lower prices in areas of low income (like Steam did in Russia) so those regions can also pay a fairer price. But alas, I don't see that happening as people will exploit this thoroughly without some proper DRM. Therefore piracy is important to keep the less fortunate supplied with those cultural goods.

Piracy is also the best preserver of cultural goods currently. Without the abandonware scene there wouldn't be GOG.
I have about 700 (drm-free) games on backlog and 3/4 of a room in an apartment with wiring that can't power an electric teapot. So, no Steam exclusives for me even if I wanted to play them. Which I don't.
Post edited September 25, 2012 by Starmaker
avatar
JMich: "I think polygamy with the current laws/customs is wrong. I support a reform of the polygamy laws/customs, which will hopefully make polygamy a socially acceptable thing in the future".
Isn't it more or less the same as what you think as impossible above?
I'm not sure if I follow you. A Pirate Party thinks that there is nothing morally wrong with piracy, therefore, they want it be legal. If you think piracy is wrong, you just don't agree with them.
avatar
SimonG: ...that doesn't mean that I am against the concept of copyright. I'm actually a supporter of "piracy" as I think cultural goods should be free for everyone regardless of income...
I like some of your statements, for example the support of the needy or the preservation of culture, but I think this here is inconsistent. One cannot aknowledge copyright and at the same time give cultural goods for free to everyone. Both cannot hold at the same time and there is no way to easily find a working compromise here.
Post edited September 25, 2012 by Trilarion
avatar
MichaelPalin: I'm not sure if I follow you. A Pirate Party thinks that there is nothing morally wrong with piracy, therefore, they want it be legal. If you think piracy is wrong, you just don't agree with them.
It is a little bit more complicated than that. Eg. they want to reform copyright laws and cut out the middle man. And they want to decriminalize piracy. They don't want to "make piracy legal".
I don't boycott any service, as there is pros and cons for every. I chose from price point, as i am not affected by DRM having only a home computer.
avatar
Trilarion: I like some of your statements, for example the support of the needy or the preservation of culture, but I think this here is inconsistent. One cannot aknowledge copyright and at the same time give cultural goods for free to everyone. Both cannot hold at the same time and there is no way to easily find a compromise here.
Of course. Copyright clearly states who has the right to profit from the work and should be credited for it. But on the other hand, there should be no reason for people to enjoy (as in only use) those products for a price they can afford. If they can't afford any price, than they should be able to get it for free.

Copyright is very important in the business sector so other don't illegally profit from your work. But on the private sector, where you only consume those goods it can be handled very differently.
avatar
koima57: ...i am not affected by DRM having only a home computer.
In principle everybody is always affected by DRM, only you probably never seen anything directly from it. :)
avatar
koima57: ...i am not affected by DRM having only a home computer.
avatar
Trilarion: In principle everybody is always affected by DRM, only you probably never seen anything directly from it. :)
Yes i guess, since i will change computer someday as it broke or get a laptop eventually. But with time the games DRM are becoming less and less invasive and restrictive with activations and always online , or so it seem. Good! ^^
avatar
MichaelPalin: I'm not sure if I follow you. A Pirate Party thinks that there is nothing morally wrong with piracy, therefore, they want it be legal. If you think piracy is wrong, you just don't agree with them.
By the quotes on your post, you say that the Pirate Party wants a reform of Copyright Laws. There was no mention of their stance on Piracy there.
It is quite possible to want something to be changed so it will be legal, and you will do it when it is finally legal, but still oppose it while it's illegal.
Just because I want a law to be passed and make an activity legal doesn't mean I will condone that activity while it is still illegal.
avatar
MichaelPalin: I don't think you have thought what you just said. You cannot reverse engineer the video of a video game.
I think you are not aware of the actual meaning of reverse engineering. You don't need to take a look at the "interior" of the game, deeply analyzing the output in order to understand what's happening beneath is reverse engineering too.
I will flat-out refuse to support a service or platform I take serious issue with, even if it's the only legal way to play a game I am interested in. I don't back down from my beliefs even if they are occasionally inconvenient.
GOG.com is my first choice when purchasing video games. Retail is second, Steam is third. I don't have any problems with them, and actually enjoy the Steam Community interface for tracking my friends' progress, looking at screenshots and videos they shared, etc.

I also feel that, being the largest and (one of the) oldest digital distribution service(s) out there, they are most likely to stick around for the duration of my lifetime. Heh.