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lazydog: Curiously enough, my attempts to abandon steam were constantly thwarted. For example, on requesting that I wished my account to be permanently removed, I was met with statements from steam that this was not physically possible. In addition to this, I was asked to provide detailed bank transactions showing purchases I had made to steam, in order that they may "deactivate" my account but not remove it entirely.

Faced with providing purchases with differing bank cards, over a long period of time, I gave up (note that all this transaction detail would have been readily available to Steam- they just wished to throw obstacles in the way as it may have been "fraud".
Of course that information is available to Steam... it's a check to see if you're actually the owner of the account or not. At one point ~77k accounts per month were getting hijacked through phishing (and idiocy). You can't just close down an account just because the person logged in at that moment asks you to.
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lazydog: Curiously enough, my attempts to abandon steam were constantly thwarted. For example, on requesting that I wished my account to be permanently removed, I was met with statements from steam that this was not physically possible. In addition to this, I was asked to provide detailed bank transactions showing purchases I had made to steam, in order that they may "deactivate" my account but not remove it entirely.

Faced with providing purchases with differing bank cards, over a long period of time, I gave up (note that all this transaction detail would have been readily available to Steam- they just wished to throw obstacles in the way as it may have been "fraud".
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Pheace: Of course that information is available to Steam... it's a check to see if you're actually the owner of the account or not. At one point ~77k accounts per month were getting hijacked through phishing (and idiocy). You can't just close down an account just because the person logged in at that moment asks you to.
you know, I kind of thought I would receive that kind of response.

And by that I mean hurdles are presented. Anyone can sign up for a steam account within seconds.

Can a steam account be removed so easily? Blah, Blah, hack etc -not the users problem.

As it stands, I have actually sent a ticket to steam support to see if I can still access my steam account (circa 2012).

I will not be surprised if steam still have held my details for 6 years.

If steam can get these details back to me, rest assured I will be getting back to you about steams policy on "closing" an account down.
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lazydog: Can a steam account be removed so easily? Blah, Blah, hack etc -not the users problem.
Well, you might not think so, the person who got his account hijacked and subsequently maliciously permanently closed would.
Post edited February 16, 2018 by Pheace
Steam Games? I boycotted Steam altogether! haha

GOG has been a much better service :)
Boycotting steam achieves nothing. Millions and millions use it, Valve do not care if 0.00000001% of PC gamers boycott them. All companies exist to part you from your money, having 'allegiances' to any is bizarre.
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legopig: Boycotting steam achieves nothing.
It does make me feel less stressed though.
I agree that at this stage boycotting Steam does absolutely nothing.

"Voting with one's wallet" is really a joke. It just makes you one of the ~eight billion people on planet Earth who chose not to purchase that whatever thing. The group making the money will never know why, and as long as they keep making money, nothing changes.

Still, I've never had a Steam account and I'd prefer not to have one. But it is possible that I would change my mind one day. And if I ever get around to releasing a game of my own, well, getting it onto Steam would be priority number one. That's where the PC games' market really is.
I have over 1600 games on Steam, had it since it launched and never had a problem with it.
I totally understand and respect why some people hate Steam, I think boycotting ( especially big companies) is pretty pointless. Its a great place to get games cheap, nearly all of my 1600 + collection has been bought on sales.All that being said I still spend more time here on GOG ,have 163 games and growing all the time ! :)
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legopig: Boycotting steam achieves nothing. Millions and millions use it, Valve do not care if 0.00000001% of PC gamers boycott them. All companies exist to part you from your money, having 'allegiances' to any is bizarre.
Where to Start
Hard figures are difficult to obtain but about 8% of gamers prefer to use GoG over Steam. We all have our reasons, but a significant number of people don't want to use Steam. Sure many of that 8% will grudgingly use Steam is there is no other option.

If you think 8% is insignificant, then consider this Linux/Mac users are less than 2% of Steam users but many Devs will cater for them.

Boycotting Steam isn't about trying to change Valve, it about convincing publishers that GoG is a viable addition to release via Steam. Something that has happened and continues to happen.

Some "Allegiances" are bizarre, football teams, fashions lines.

But refusing to Use Steam isn't bizarre. Valve puts restrictions on your games, it locks your licenses to a ever changing subscription, it is the gatekeeper and from my experience not a very ethical one. Now if your are happy with this, then that is your choice.

Yes all companies exist to make money, but we can choose to support companies based on their actions. Valve abused its dominant market position for over a decade, GoG while shifting on a some of it original values continues to offer the best service.
I don't really boycott it.
I don't buy anything from Steam but I do use it for codes I got for free or as a part of bundles I bought for another reason.
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As I've said to Legopig, boycotting Steam isn't about removing burgers from Gabes plate but a combination of not wanting to use a service and convincing publishers to also release outside of Steam.
Post edited February 17, 2018 by mechmouse
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wonderfulillusion: And at the time when I left GOG, I genuinely felt Valve had finally turned a new page.
Wait, so you deleted your account at GOG because you were no longer pissed off with Steam? Forgive me for being rude, but that's insane.
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wonderfulillusion: And at the time when I left GOG, I genuinely felt Valve had finally turned a new page.
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SirPrimalform: Wait, so you deleted your account at GOG because you were no longer pissed off with Steam? Forgive me for being rude, but that's insane.
You are not being rude, that would be insane. Basically at the time when I had both accounts, any game available on GOG was also available on Steam, and usually both earlier and cheaper. There were also quality of life features like trading cards, but I digress.

So I bought all my new games on Steam, plus whatever games weren't on GOG at all. On GOG I was only buying games I already owned (and completed) from other platforms either out of a sense of nostalgia, or so I had a DRM-free copy, but then never playing them. I was essentially just paying for a more expensive digital backup, but a digital backup I would overwhelmingly never use.

At some point I looked at my GOG library and how much money I was spending for something I wasn't even using, and made the switch fully to Steam, believing the DRM issue wouldn't matter if I stayed with Steam.

Well I've talked enough for 2018. Hope that answers your question though.
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wonderfulillusion: At some point I looked at my GOG library and how much money I was spending for something I wasn't even using, and made the switch fully to Steam, believing the DRM issue wouldn't matter if I stayed with Steam.

Well I've talked enough for 2018. Hope that answers your question though.
I understand making the switch fully to Steam, but I don't understand why that necessitated deleting the GOG account. Since you'd already spent all that money at the very least it would make more sense to just leave it to gather dust so that you can come back if you change your mind (spoiler alert, apparently you did ;D).
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wonderfulillusion: At some point I looked at my GOG library and how much money I was spending for something I wasn't even using, and made the switch fully to Steam, believing the DRM issue wouldn't matter if I stayed with Steam.

Well I've talked enough for 2018. Hope that answers your question though.
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SirPrimalform: I understand making the switch fully to Steam, but I don't understand why that necessitated deleting the GOG account. Since you'd already spent all that money at the very least it would make more sense to just leave it to gather dust so that you can come back if you change your mind (spoiler alert, apparently you did ;D).
I mean, you're not wrong. On the other hand I wasn't playing the games I had bought, so other than losing whatever prestige is associated with an old account, I'm not sure it set me back very far. Then again, I'm not playing the games I have bought on this account either, so maybe I've accomplished nothing.

And now it really is time for me to shut up.
Post edited February 17, 2018 by wonderfulillusion