I would just like to butt in with the simply pessimistic point that : the EU has since its inception been held together with the belief that "together we are better". Or if you like it better with "sticky tape and hope".

Now it appears that everybody want out of the EU and fast.
Myself I like the idea of a United European Union, it has done me okay. But as things do begin to crack I can see the beginnings that we saw now, over 100 years ago. I fear our leaders and diplomats may not be up to the high standards we need and the public across Europe appear to have no faith that their interests (best, or other) are being served any longer by those who push a united Europe.
The poorer states are being left defenceless and without help, whilst the richer states act like spoilt children unwilling to aid should their tea go cold and expecting everyone to do as they do.

What does this have to do with Poland? I wonder if they will be the first brick removed from the podium, or if they will attempt to correct the mass madness at the top for the betterment of their people. Only time can tell the answers.

I broadly agree - though you didnt mention the molestation of pig carcassess by our leaders (and potentially others in the EU) - you should have!

I think that the situation is over hyped. The same thing was with election of Andrzej Duda. I mean - everybody was crying that democration gonna end, that young people are dumb etc. We survived 8 years with thieves and president-idiot. Situation isn't the best, but c'mon, guys. Its not that bad as it's portrayed in media.

(Of course it's my point of view and I'm not democrat :P)

You've got your priorities in order :)

But really, I'd expect a wave of right-wing parties winning in European elections in the coming years. It's the way the wind is blowing. No fire in the bellies of the left wing.

So much is decided on who is motivated to show up to vote.

(also: for sure Germany will go down the drain before Poland)

Are there any countries where this doesn't happen? Seriously, whoever gets elected, as soon as they do, his or her opponent's start talking out of their ass about the collapse of the entire country. When Obama was elected here 7 years ago my uncle swore up and down the U.S. wouldn't exist within 18 months. In the Mideast this seems like a feasible concern, but most of those constitutions are written in pencil.

I for one am not too worried about Poland. Everything you've been through in the last century alone and people are worrying about this!? XD

I still expect our idiotic leaders to march us (UK) right off a cliff just so they can claim they did something "historic". It is either out of EU, or another war.
I feel all who voted for the conservatives should be ashamed of themselves, the coalition was poor choice for a poor people, but it was better then this.

As for other politicians. You do not get far in politics - no matter where - without being a little screwy, and having more skeletons in your closet then a mass murderer.
After all, if they did not, what would the whips and party leaders have to keep them in tow with otherwise. That is the only reason you now know about the pigs head, Cameron needed to be put back in his place.
Do not think for a second that the book was a suddenly rushed thing, they sat on this for decades. Cameron has caused all sorts of little infighting within the Conservative party and the powers want him to shut up and do what he is told. Pigs will not end the man, other secrets could kill his future.


You are probably quite right. Not a lot will happen from the point of view of the people for some time. Yet I feel it is less about what affects the people directly, as most politics takes an indirect effect on the average life, and more about how the country itself is viewed.

If you have a pro-war leader, your country ends up in wars it need not and you are seen as bad. You have a pro-West leader, you get health, services and social standards, your people are taxed to high heaven. If you get a nationalist, you end up with leaders who think only of the country and forget to balance with their neighbours to stop future problems, you are seen as selfish.
The people themselves do not change, only the puppets getting the attention do, and they can ruin it for everyone else.

My personal view/fear is that with the UK already trying to pull itself from the EU, the Euro not doing financially well and the $ up a creak. Migrants flooding poor countries, mad politicians not listening to reason, massive debt crushing countries such as Greece. The ban on Germany and Japan having armys ending soon. Plus Russia in Syria.
If another country was to begin acting like it is one of the loons, we could easily have a very volatile Europe. All we need is one too many straws.

The thing for Poland right now is, like when every political parties change anywhere in the world. People are currently so interested in Poland because the political leaning has shifted, and with it too could go the countries views and interactions with the rest of the world.

I have local backups of all my games so I'm not worried.

What do you care, your new PM looks like a super model! :P

I keep expecting the guy to break out into a Wrangler Jeans or Brute commercial.

Poland won't "go down the drain". The only thing that will go down the drain are the GOG general forums if we get more of these pointless political threads.

I'm watching Poland and seeing if they align with Russia.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice#Gay_rights

they sound "just fine" as long as they stay mostly pro- EU, and don't borrow/lend as much as greece/germany. AFAIK no EU nation ever destroyed itself just because they're socially right-wing or banning buttsacks.

should i make another anime topic?
the L&J party is EXTREMELY unlikely to align with russia. not unless they suddenly want to screw their EU membership, and get invaded by russia again.

I have to do research on them but I just skimmed the article on my phone and saw they adopted some of the Russian stance on gays and thought they were like minded..... And seeing on how Russia is acting recently I just thought.....

nope. rightwing/conservatives in EU countries tend hate russia with a passion. much like american neo-cons, except EU's conservatives would be labelled commies by murikans just for supporting universal healthcare.

seriously you think sarah palin would kiss vladimir pudding pie just because she hates faggy things too?

From the people that I interact with IRL we view Russia as communist in disguise who is trying to regain their former glory and from the very brief view of the arrticle I thought Poland was now the same. What is the european view on Russia? Or L&J?