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General discussionHow can PC gamers NOT use Steam in 2016?(195 posts)(195 posts)
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Posted June 27, 2016
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Antoni_Fox: I mean, 99.9% of PC games are released exclusively on the Steam platform these days,
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Potzato: You say you don't want to start a GoG vs Steam nonsense, but as you probably know the road to hell (or to nonsense in this case) is paved with good intentions. In your case, using an obviously misguided/false argument is where you are losing some points in the ''I don't want to upset people'' area.

I know other people have pointed that out already. But you are lucky ;)
I understand what you are saying, and am not trying to cause arguments between people or force any particular views onto them. I made that point clear in my original post, but if anybody out there did take offence to my question, then i sincerely apologise.

I was just in search of answers. There was never any hidden agenda on my part, and i appreciate the posts and views of those forum members who have posted here.
Post edited June 27, 2016 by Antoni_Fox
Posted June 27, 2016
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Potzato: You say you don't want to start a GoG vs Steam nonsense, but as you probably know the road to hell (or to nonsense in this case) is paved with good intentions. In your case, using an obviously misguided/false argument is where you are losing some points in the ''I don't want to upset people'' area.

I know other people have pointed that out already. But you are lucky ;)
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Antoni_Fox: I understand what you are saying, and am not trying to cause arguments between people or force any particular views onto them. I made that point clear in my original post, but if anybody out there did take offence to my question, then i sincerely apologise.

I was just in search of answers, there was never any hidden agenda on my part, and i appreciate the posts and views of those forum members who have posted here.
Oh don't worry I get it.
I myself stopped buying games on Steam years ago, because I have a better service here and have plenty enough to play with what is available.
Post edited June 27, 2016 by Potzato
Posted June 27, 2016
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PookaMustard: The question should not be "How can PC gamers NOT use Steam in 2016?". The question should be "How come Steam is STILL BEING USED by PC gamers in 2016?"
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synfresh: Because at the end of the day, most PC gamers want to play games...period. Whether that's Skyrim, GTA, Doom, Fallout 4, Civilization, Dark Souls, etc etc etc. A lot of these games are not available DRM-Free and probably never will be. Also keep in mind that most people tolerate Steam because Steam has not prevented them from playing games. A lot of those disenfranchised by Valve are due to the fact they've been locked out of their library by some reason or another.
Woah common sense and facts.
Posted June 27, 2016
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Antoni_Fox: This is just something that has my curiosity, and i'm only asking for opinions and thoughts here, not trying to start a GOG vs. Steam war! ;)

Why do so many GOG users often comment in forum posts that they avoid using Steam?
I mean, 99.9% of PC games are released exclusively on the Steam platform these days, and even if they do get DRM-free releases on GOG, Humble Bundle and other places later, the vast majority of new or recent PC games will never provide us gamers with that option.
So, by refusing to have a Steam account, aren't some PC gamers robbing themselves of the opportunity to play a lot of new games?

I'm sure everyone has a valid reason for not using Steam, but i'm just interested to know what those reasons are in more detail.
90% of games released nowadays are half finished vehicles for dlc and other robbing techniques. They are generic bland and merely a method of not taking risks. Not to mention the DRM is normally so broken the product doesn't work. Zero interest in playing ass creed 206, or call of dooty - the big dick holding yeewsa multiplayer extravaganzer part two.
The other alleged games are mmo type things for sado's whose only ambition in life is RSI.

And yes, things were a lot better before steam!
Posted June 27, 2016
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DarrkPhoenix: To everyone else who posts in this thread, how large is your GOG (or just non-Steam) backlog? That's your answer.
Steam 196, with a lot being dual bought with gog/humble, vs 379 with gog, I prefer gog as you do not need the Internet to install the game! I lost my Internet for over five years, and was locked out of several games due to corrupted files/installs.

Gog doesn't have such limitations, but barring the reliance of the Internet, steam is pretty cool as that is one of the few reasons why I don't like having to use it!
Posted June 28, 2016
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PookaMustard: The question should not be "How can PC gamers NOT use Steam in 2016?". The question should be "How come Steam is STILL BEING USED by PC gamers in 2016?"
My thought exactly. I'm surprised so many people *do* use steam, or other steam-like services, in an era where consoles have developed to the point that they can provide similar gaming experiences (I'm not a graphics techie or guy who is obsessed with framerates, so don't murder me for that comment pls :) ), AND so many games are now available DRM-free.

PC gaming historically has always been a "DIY" type thing. You sort of took the responsibility yourself to get the games to run on your system. And people have been modding games since before my gaming years, with the idea of "making the game into what you want it to be". And from that standpoint, any service like Steam that adds bloatware to your system and limits or controls your gaming experience goes directly against this whole "DIY" idea.

So I always figure anyone who wants to avoid that "DIY" aspect tends to go the console direction and mostly avoids PC gaming in the 1st place.

And due to that, and the gazillion other reasons other people in this thread mentioned as to why they don't like or use Steam, I actually think DRM-heavy services like this will die out eventually. Call me crazy, but I think GOG is showing us the PC gaming future here, with their biz model, as counterintuitive as that may seem. It seems to me the popularity of GOG has continued to grow in my several years I've been using it, and having some killer AAA titles ilke TW3 and Dying Light (btw which I'm playing from GOG currently and is awesome) released on a DRM-free platform are proving that devs don't *have* to work with Steam or the like. And I think that going forward, there will be fewer and fewer AAA titles that don't have a console version.

And for myself, I'd much rather pick up a relatively cheap console than add a headache-waiting-to-happen like Steam to my PCs. In fact, I just did this, grabbed up a cheap PS3 so I can play Assassins Creed:Black Flag, Borderlands, etc. Having that, the only Steam games that "tempt" me anymore are the several TES-Fallout type games out there that, in my eyes, require some level of modding to become a complete experience.

For the future, I picture gamers diverging, into console players who want games to work easily but accept inflexibility (unable to mod, etc), and PC gamers who want more control of their experiences and are wililng to put the time in to have that. And plenty like me who will do both. In that scenario, sites like GOG and DRM-free games will dominate the PC market, and the console market will continue to grow as well. And Steam and its ilk will be relegated to some niche market of people who want someone to "manage" their games for them on a PC, for whatever reason. (Or better yet, they'll simply die a slow death... Steam that is, not the gamers ;P ).
Posted June 28, 2016
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mobutu: There are tons of DRM-free PC videogames out there so I'm pretty sure PC gamers don't "rob themselves of the opportunity to play a lot of new games"
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Chacranajxy: If all you want to play is indie games, sure.

Otherwise, you absolutely are not allowing yourself to play most of the interesting games that come out on PC.
I get that there are some good AAA games that come out. But it's a big stretch from that to say that "most of the interesting games" are AAA.

Which ones are you thinking of? Are they as innovative as something like Papers Please or is the another reason they're more interesting? Because the vast majority of stuff I see coming out of the AAA scene are DLC heavy rehashes of old glories.
Posted June 28, 2016
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Chacranajxy: If all you want to play is indie games, sure.

Otherwise, you absolutely are not allowing yourself to play most of the interesting games that come out on PC.
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Faceknives: I get that there are some good AAA games that come out. But it's a big stretch from that to say that "most of the interesting games" are AAA.

Which ones are you thinking of? Are they as innovative as something like Papers Please or is the another reason they're more interesting? Because the vast majority of stuff I see coming out of the AAA scene are DLC heavy rehashes of old glories.
I'm talking about the whole spectrum of games that aren't indie. Could be Dark Souls 3 or Doom. Could be Danganronpa or Deathsmiles. Could be Dragon's Dogma. Could be the Final Fantasy IX re-release.

GOG/DRM-free is absurdly limiting, given what else is out there.
Posted June 28, 2016
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Faceknives: I get that there are some good AAA games that come out. But it's a big stretch from that to say that "most of the interesting games" are AAA.

Which ones are you thinking of? Are they as innovative as something like Papers Please or is the another reason they're more interesting? Because the vast majority of stuff I see coming out of the AAA scene are DLC heavy rehashes of old glories.
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Chacranajxy: I'm talking about the whole spectrum of games that aren't indie. Could be Dark Souls 3 or Doom. Could be Danganronpa or Deathsmiles. Could be Dragon's Dogma. Could be the Final Fantasy IX re-release.

GOG/DRM-free is absurdly limiting, given what else is out there.
I take your point. Admittedly, I'm not especially interested in most of the games you mention. But I'm not going to pretend that my own subjective taste is some kind of mark of quality.

But from my perspective, there's already far more excellent games out there then I'm ever going to get round to playing. Hell, there's even old Spectrum games I still haven't found time to play yet. So while it's limiting, the large number of options out there means it doesn't actually hold me back in any meaningful way.

The obvious example is how many heavy Steam users have long lists of unplayed games in their libraries.
Posted June 28, 2016
I don't use Steam. I don't put my wants ahead of my principles (anymore that is).

One thing I find troubling is the lack of knowledge displayed by some that use Steam. A lot of them have been brainwashed. I've run across people that buy a game thru Steam (and not GoG) because they prefer the Steam launcher (I guess they think it replaces the game's exe), or Steam lets you backup your games, or............ drum roll please....... I like all my games in one place.

I like my games in one place too! My computer. And what is easier than clicking the shortcut to launch a game? Any else have a 'Games' folder on his desktop that has all the game shortcuts?

When Steam starts paying for the resources and data it mines from my PC, I might consider it. I doubt it though.
Posted June 28, 2016
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Antoni_Fox: "How can PC gamers NOT use Steam in 2016?"
Patience, self-restraint, and the discipline to adhere to a specific stance on DRM in gaming.

In other words, being a responsible consumer.
Posted June 28, 2016
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Antoni_Fox: This is just something that has my curiosity, and i'm only asking for opinions and thoughts here, not trying to start a GOG vs. Steam war! ;)

Why do so many GOG users often comment in forum posts that they avoid using Steam?
I mean, 99.9% of PC games are released exclusively on the Steam platform these days, and even if they do get DRM-free releases on GOG, Humble Bundle and other places later, the vast majority of new or recent PC games will never provide us gamers with that option.
So, by refusing to have a Steam account, aren't some PC gamers robbing themselves of the opportunity to play a lot of new games?

I'm sure everyone has a valid reason for not using Steam, but i'm just interested to know what those reasons are in more detail.
You just made a big mistake bro. Well, I guess you noticed that when your post got low rated. X)
Post edited November 03, 2016 by Lucius_Malfoy
Posted June 28, 2016
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rampancy: Patience, self-restraint, and the discipline to adhere to a specific stance on DRM in gaming.

In other words, being a responsible consumer.
So people who use DRM are irresponsible? Nice accusation you have there.
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HypersomniacLive: The thread title you chose makes it sound like having access to the latest Steam-exclusive releases is at least as vital as oxygen for one's well being.

A game being a Steam-exclusive doesn't automatically make it top quality, or of interest to all and everyone, and some of us value DRM-free and/or not supporting a monopoly more than not missing out on all the latest releases.
Definitely not for everyone, but numbers speak louder than minority. And I mean minority for real.

Go compare Steam's Stardew Valley with GOG's. And that's just one example for something that has both versions (on Steam + GOG).

For Steam exclusive? Do I have to name Football Manager series? Or the continued sales of CS:GO?

You can choose to keep shutting your ears and eyes, but it won't hide the fact that Steam has bunch to offer for both developers and customers.
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governor1835: I don't use Steam. I don't put my wants ahead of my principles (anymore that is).

One thing I find troubling is the lack of knowledge displayed by some that use Steam. A lot of them have been brainwashed. I've run across people that buy a game thru Steam (and not GoG) because they prefer the Steam launcher (I guess they think it replaces the game's exe), or Steam lets you backup your games, or............ drum roll please....... I like all my games in one place.

I like my games in one place too! My computer. And what is easier than clicking the shortcut to launch a game? Any else have a 'Games' folder on his desktop that has all the game shortcuts?

When Steam starts paying for the resources and data it mines from my PC, I might consider it. I doubt it though.
Data mining? LOL. It's the least of your concern.
Post edited June 28, 2016 by zeroxxx
Posted June 28, 2016
I don't use Steam and I don't ever want to use Steam, but would the people ranting about morality and principles please give the rest of us a fucking break!? :P

We are talking about buying computer games right? Are there lives at stake here?

This place needs an enema. XD
Posted June 28, 2016
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tinyE: I don't use Steam and I don't ever want to use Steam, but would the people ranting about morality and principles please give the rest of us a fucking break!? :P

We are talking about buying computer games right? Are there lives at stake here?

This place needs an enema. XD
an inanimate animal enema... sorry it sounded like a tongue twister.

I'm kinda surprised these threads continue to pop up, however I can't contain myself to chime in with the same cut and paste response... At least our chats in the game specific forum are productive.
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