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.Keys: The power that Linux have of showing how much Windows changed through time is huge, I guess... :P
The real power and flexibility is actually in a feature you can't really use in a GUI, and that's the commandline.

Why? Because you can string smaller pieces to do things they never thought of at the time. The example i like to give is a backup utility. In Windows, you have to know the technologies at the time as well as the compression methods. So say Windows 3.1 backup would only really know floppy disks and zip compression. But using linux you would to archiving with one, compression with another, and then you could then feed it to a remote cloud server that there was no concept in 1970 when tar was created. You can even add encryption, sign it, and send yourself an email when it's done in a single hand written command. (though when it gets complex enough, writing it into a script would be preferred)

Though today you can expand features by having people write special DLL and other shared libraries, but nowhere nearly as easy as using a pipe |
I'm not going to touch 11 until at least late 2024 at which point I hope they'll have fixed that mess. It was terrible when I used it back around February.

10 on the other hand is... a bit of a confused halfway house admittedly. You can plainly see the direction they wish to take the OS, but also their present inability to do that completely. In some respects I find it a bit baffling. But whatever. I'm no programmer. That aside though it is a functional and usable OS. Even if it sometimes means having to hunt through two versions of the control panel to find the option you want, I can't imagine anything I'd want to go back to 7 for now.
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Shadowstalker16: Likelihood of malware infection depends a lot more on the user than the OS. Someone visiting shady sites, clicking on shady links and attachments and running suspicious .exes are still very likely to run into malware issues no matter what OS they use.

A lot of people prefer the less bloated, simpler Windows with the same UI across all menus and without annoying auto-updates and self-reinstalling ''apps'' from the MS Store. Linux won't cut it when it comes to software compatibility and newer versions of Windows offer no positive additions over 7 so I understand why people still use it.

A lot of those users are also probably non-tech savvy people who only use their PCs for select tasks and don't want the headache of a smartphonified OS disturbing their MS Word editing.
There are hardly any programs Windows 7 can run that Linux can't. Most of that is covered under Wine.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: There are hardly any programs Windows 7 can run that Linux can't. Most of that is covered under Wine.
Hardware-related utilities.
Specialized productivity software.
Security software, if you're used to a particular one, or even a certain type (still waiting for someone to point to something like Comodo Firewall for Linux).
Just to name a few obvious categories.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: There are hardly any programs Windows 7 can run that Linux can't. Most of that is covered under Wine.
Other than the big ones like Adobe software and Sony Vegas and such, there are plenty of games that are less of a headache to run without a compatibility layer like Wine in the middle. I don't like MS and the world being centralized around Windows either but there are some things that are less of a hassle to run on Windows (and less of a hassle to run on older Windows).
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rtcvb32: The real power and flexibility is actually in a feature you can't really use in a GUI, and that's the commandline.

Why? Because you can string smaller pieces to do things they never thought of at the time. The example i like to give is a backup utility. In Windows, you have to know the technologies at the time as well as the compression methods. So say Windows 3.1 backup would only really know floppy disks and zip compression. But using linux you would to archiving with one, compression with another, and then you could then feed it to a remote cloud server that there was no concept in 1970 when tar was created. You can even add encryption, sign it, and send yourself an email when it's done in a single hand written command. (though when it gets complex enough, writing it into a script would be preferred)

Though today you can expand features by having people write special DLL and other shared libraries, but nowhere nearly as easy as using a pipe |
That's awesome. When I grow up in Linux I want to be like you guys. :)
When you talk about using advanced scripts like that in a decade where technology as we know today wasn't even developed yet, it's really incredible what someone with knowledge can actually do in CLI.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: I don't mean to come across as being snarky or patronizing or anything like that, but I am just quite a bit baffled.
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AB2012: How are people still even using Windows 7? Quite easily. I have two rigs, one is using W10, the other dual-booting W7 & Linux. Despite being "old", if you do not own any DX12 exclusive games (and I don't) there is literally no functional difference at all for a gaming rig for my entire collection of +2,000 games. Nor has there been any difference in security either. 99% of the 70,000 PC games using DirectX 5-11, OpenGL or Vulkan API's work flawlessly, which just goes to show how little the "core" of Windows has changed, and how much W8, W10, W11, etc, is more about endless unwanted UI makeovers than some radical under the hood changes. I have simply noticed zero practical difference in gaming on the W10 vs W7 computers, even today in 2022. The only games that need DX12 exclusively, ie, it's DX12 or nothing with no alternative Vulkan / DX11 / OpenGL renderer tend to be the same AAA's I don't buy because of DRM.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Using Windows 7 is basically begging for hackers or malware to take over your system. Windows 7 has not received security updates in, like, 3 years. It's a massive, gaping security hole just waiting to be taken advantage of by any half-decent script-kiddie.
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AB2012: This is factually incorrect. W7 ESU (Extended Support Updates) are available until 2023 (there's a simple tweak that allows anyone to download them, just as with the previous 'zeffy' utility that unlocked Microsoft's fake locking of updates on Gen 7 Intel / Ryzen CPU's). Whilst I wouldn't use W7 today as some outward facing financial server, "security" issues (most of which use fringe attack vectors), are laughably overrated for a simple (mostly) offline gaming rig. "Hacking" in the real world does not involve hackers performing 100m individual attacks vs 100m individual consumer PC's sitting behind a firewalled NAT + dynamic IP one by one, they target online corporate databases containing millions of records (and they still get hacked despite running Windows 10-11 Server) then rapidly "flip" the database on the dark-web for Bitcoin. That is real-life hacking.

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Shadowstalker16: Likelihood of malware infection depends a lot more on the user than the OS. Someone visiting shady sites, clicking on shady links and attachments and running suspicious .exes are still very likely to run into malware issues no matter what OS they use.
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AB2012: ^ This. Someone who disables a lot of unwanted services on W7 + runs a whitelisted firewall is already more practically secure than the average W10 user sitting there with Remote Desktop Configuration, Remote Desktop Services, Remote Registry, Secondary Login, Windows Remote Management all enabled + "everything gets to talk through the firewall without question by default" firewall settings. 2FA / SCA for banking has done far more to stop account hijacks than Windows Updates ever did (the same ones that delete users data once, twice, three years in a row...)

As for the train-wreck that is W11, compulsory TPM for W11 is far more about gradually introducing Remote Attestation (hardware DRM, already visible on some new anti-cheat software that locks games to TPM chips) than "protecting" Windows users. Same goes for "Smart App Control" a shiny new "security" feature that "uses AI and Microsoft's cloud knowledge base to check every app that runs, blocking anything unsigned, unfamiliar, or known to be malicious". Sounds great for morons who open "Free Money.exe" e-mail attachments until you realise you've just added an OS level DRM remote kill-switch that can mass block thousands of unsigned DRM-Free older game, game mods, source ports, etc, at the flip of a single switch far more than Denuvo / SecuROM ever could. This stuff is far more about "bait & switching" hardware DRM under the guise of 'security' than it is 'protecting' anyone from real world threats.
wow the tpm locking games on w11 is actually big news, i'm surprised there isn't a thread on it.
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.Ra: wow the tpm locking games on w11 is actually big news, i'm surprised there isn't a thread on it.
It's not news - it's a theoretical outcome.

TPM isn't currently being used to block access to video games. Any thread would therefore be:

"Microsoft could use TPM to block access to our games, but they're not currently doing it."
"Oh, but are they going to do it?"
"Probably not"
"Oh, but they might do it"
"Yes, but they probably won't because of PR etc"
Post edited September 28, 2022 by pds41
I like this mix of attacking people for their choices wrapped in the usual insincere disbelief and bafflement, and the revolutionary solution to their imaginary problem you stumbled upon, fueled by your recent discovery and experience of Linux.
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pds41: It's not news - it's a theoretical outcome.

TPM isn't currently being used to block access to video games.
As AB2012 pointed out, TPM is already in use by 3rd party anti-cheat services (Valorant's Vanguard) to block access to games / mods, etc, so it doesn't have to be MS the one doing it. Merely by requiring TPM + "Secure" Boot to be compulsory for W11 though, MS are enabling the "mainstreaming" of it for others to use as a requirement. As for "MS won't do it because of PR", this is the same company that broke compatibility with thousands of Starforce / SecuROM games on W10 + rendered DRM'd content worthless on at least two abandoned stores (Zune Marketplace & Games For Windows Live), and continue to wrap Denuvo-style "Arxan" DRM around 20-25 year old "Definitive" games (Age of Empires 2), then simply walked away and ignored all criticism due to being "Too Big To Fail (tm)" in other areas (Windows / Office / Azure gravy train), so I honestly wouldn't put anything at all past them as to what restrictions games will have on Windows 12, 13, etc, in a few years time...
Post edited September 28, 2022 by BrianSim
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pds41: It's not news - it's a theoretical outcome.

TPM isn't currently being used to block access to video games.
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BrianSim: As AB2012 pointed out, TPM is already in use by 3rd party anti-cheat services (Valorant's Vanguard) to block access to games / mods, etc, so it doesn't have to be MS the one doing it. Merely by requiring TPM + "Secure" Boot to be compulsory for W11 though, MS are enabling the "mainstreaming" of it for others to use as a requirement. As for "MS won't do it because of PR", this is the same company that broke compatibility with thousands of Starforce / SecuROM games on W10 + rendered DRM'd content worthless on at least two abandoned stores (Zune Marketplace & Games For Windows Live), and continue to wrap Denuvo-style "Arxan" DRM around 20-25 year old "Definitive" games (Age of Empires 2), then simply walked away and ignored all criticism due to being "Too Big To Fail (tm)" in other areas (Windows / Office / Azure gravy train), so I honestly wouldn't put anything at all past them as to what restrictions games will have on Windows 12, 13, etc, in a few years time...
Sort of yes, sort of no. I mean, there are easy workarounds for Securom (both at an OS level if you're on 7 or manually removing the DRM if you're not) and the GFWL example isn't as clear cut as the media reported. All my GFWL games still work single player and still install on new machines. I recently installed and played through F1 2011 (which uses GFWL) on my Windows 11 PC.

Ultimately, in the highly unlikely event and theoretical event that Microsoft or a mandatory software provider start using TPM to block access to games I have purchased, I'll just start dual booting; either with separate Windows installs, or between Windows and an alternative OS.

Either way, I think this is an example of people blowing an issue out of proportion that either won't happen or they can't influence.