That's not really young anymore.
I thought you were talking about 14-year olds or even younger...I've encountered creeps with such predilections on the net before. Sorry, I was being unfair towards you.

I really shouldn't tell this story, but...

Well, there WAS this one time in McDonalds store in London. It had a split level floor, the higher level placing the tables at eye level of the lower level. So there I was, sitting at the lower level, looking over my Met map when I hear the "clip clop" of high heels. Every young male knows that sound means hot babe. So I look to the side and sure enough, she is amazingly beautiful. Stunning. But then my eyes start dropping downwards and she's sitting in that British way with her legs apart and it's like "AHHHH!!! OMG OMFG OMFG!!!". You know the term "beaver", well this was more like a giant feral cat. There were huge tufts of hair poking out of everywhere. Really in need of a lawnmower, or something.

But after a few minutes, my little brain starts thinking "but she WAS stunning, maybe it wasn't so bad really". Even whilst my head was slowly turning again there was this little voice in my head going "no man, don't do it, seriously don't do again". But no young guy ever listens to that little warning voice in their head. And so..."AHHH!!! OMFG OMFG it really IS that bad!".

Poor girl, probably couldn't work out why no partner ever calls her after the first time she brings them home.

But generally I'm very tolerant, if there's one thing though that would put me off any long term relationship it's a certain type of voice. I cannot handle the sort of voice like The Nanny (what was her name in that American TV show? Fran Fine of something?) Basically that sort of voice hurts my ears, and you're not allowed to gag your girlfriend or wife, unless they're into that sort thing. So no go for me on grating voices. Keep in mind I'm only talking about prospects of long relationships here where you have constant exposure, obviously these sorts of things have no bearing on ordinary friendships. On the other hand, if I find a woman with a voice like Claudia Black or Johnette Napolitano, she could probably look like a Wildebeest and I wouldn't mind.

Staring blankly when I make a Dune refrence.

Remember this one buddy.

You should have gone over to her and said something along the lines of "Listen, you're really hot and I'd like to bang you, but your pubic hair is showing, you really need to trim it or you'll end as a lonely cat lady! Just a piece of friendly advice."
Maybe it would have been the start of a great love story.

In the automotive world, that's the equivalent of a '20-foot car'. Looks good from 20 feet away, but taking a closer peek reveals all sorts of problems.

My 20-foot car for women is makeup. I'd prefer to see actual skin - with whatever blemishes and features comes with it - rather than some powder / cream goop that covers up what Mama Nature gave ya.

She could be the most beautiful girl in the world until she says ''Howya goin' mate''.Nothing turns me off quicker than them talking like blokes.As for CMOT70's photo taken opportunity (clarification...if it looks at you,then your picture was taken) that is another,terror that I fear and it makes you wonder if she even realizes the horror that she is causing.

If she's a complete bitch, that's an easy turn off.
Also cosmetic surgery. I hadn't really seen much until I moved here. So many people do it. It's usually noticeable.
I'm still not too sure why it bothers me. Other than it looking unnatural if you had a bad surgeon. Maybe it feels deceiving to me? Which you could argue the same about makeup and tans. But i guess since surgery is more likely than not permanent, it bothers me. It doesn't help that everyone seemingly uses the same menu and pictures to choose their procedures from. Asians are literally slowly looking the same. Also big eye contacts.

That's a new one for me. I had to look it up. Those are creepy!

It's sort of complicated. A large part of the problem is that Amazon doesn't hire locally and they mostly only hire men. So there's thousands of men more than women here.

Historically, there's usually been more men than women here, at least within the groups that have moved here after displacing the indigenous peoples of the area. It was particularly bad at the very start.

Then to make matters worse, nobody really talks to strangers around here and people usually have a very small circle of friends.

I personally refuse to date Seattle women because it's literally not worth the effort. Go 100 miles in any direction and things change, you start dealing with women that can potentially be pleased and are willing to actually give a guy a chance rather than treating the men as a mr. next rather than a potential mr. right.

From what I've heard you see the same thing sort of in reverse in other areas of the country Manhattan in particular is allegedly the opposite where it tends to be the guys that are monsters and the women basically can't keep the guys happy due to the undersupply of men there.
I get that, unfortunately it's not a good situation to be in. Places where women routinely go without make up have women that routinely go without makeup because they aren't competing with each other. The women in those areas tend to be impossible to please because there's so many other men.
That probably shouldn't be an easy turn off. If she's actually a complete bitch that's one thing, but often times that's something women do when they're receiving attention from too many men.

Yeah people seem to have different "soft spots" that take others by surprise. I knew a lady (friend, I didn't date her or anything) that had some kind of fear of teeth, mainly that her biggest fear seemed to be that there'd be any damage to her own teeth. Also, she couldn't even think of dating someone who didn't have pretty much perfect teeth, not a single tooth a bit crooked,or chipped, or colored, I guess she hated also visible tooth fillings. She said this herself at some point.

Also I am sure I have things some might find repulsive. I recall when talking to a girl in a bar, suddenly she seemed very agitated of me having a tiny pimple at the corner of my eye. It is hardly visible even when I look in the mirror (it is small and the same color as skin), but she noticed it and couldn't get over it, even poked it with her finger and kept commenting on it. I was a bit WTF at that point, felt like she was trying to find even the tiniest flaw in me (and others) or maybe she had some kind of pimple-fear. I recall she even said she has an urge to squeeze or cut the pimple away.

Also when I was younger, I used to have quite bulky veins both on my arms and my legs. They were not varicose (inspected by a doctor), just that my veins were more visible and bulkier than with many other people. Doing lots of strength training in gym probably made them even more visible. Two of my brothers have similar tendency.

Some people really seemed to find them ugly, and so did I if I really inspected them in the mirror. At warm summers they were more visible, but if it was colder, they were not visible at all. The thing is, now that I've become older, they've pretty much disappeared, not so bulky anymore? Not sure if that is a good or a bad sign, has my blood circulation become so much weaker that the veins are less visible? At least I will die pretty then.

Also, sometimes I feel there is something in my voice that surprises or startles some people. I think I tend to have bit loud and maybe "piercing" voice, but I have sometimes noticed that when I say something (among people who I haven't met me before), some feel startled or surprised or something. Or if I open my mouth in a meeting or class room with unfamiliar people, the whole room seems to stop right there and some people staring at me.

At least it is good I get other people's attention when I open my mouth, but I'd sometimes like to figure out what it was, like someone would openly tell me "Say, has anyone ever told you that your voice...?"!.My close friends or family or wife never comment on it, maybe they're just used to it. I recall my ex-wife once said (early in our relationship) that I have quite a deep voice.

It could even simply be that my voice doesn't somehow fit my appearance (hiatus). You know, like a small lady would have a very deep and strong voice, or a big bulky man squeking like a mouse. Maybe it is something like that, dunno. Or I have some speech impediment I don't clearly hear myself, who the heck knows. It is funny how your own voice sounds different to yourself than it does to others.

Or, maybe it has nothing to do with my voice, but I just look odd when I open my mouth and start talking. Like that "gruesome smile-lady" I mentioned before.

That kinda sounds like when I was in a (technology) university. 95% of the people in the campus were young men, so the few women that studied there really had the time of their lives, getting attention from lots of male students.

Then again it wasn't so bad because elsewhere in the city (and nearby cities) there certainly were lots of ladies. It was not unusual that the university students would arrange parties together with other universities and schools where most students were women (like nurses etc.). I guess in Seattle there is no such option.

It's an interesting thing about attraction - the initial feeling we get from a woman's looks will fade over time, if things develop long term. As time passes, we get used to her looks and that aspect has less effect. The opposite is true regarding her inner qualities. Over time they shine brighter than they did at first and have a greater effect.

So over time, a very attractive woman can get uglier if her other qualities, like manners, intelligence, sense of humor, etc., aren't there. Likewise, a less-attractive woman can get prettier if she is well developed in those areas.

It's like we're all Shallow Hal, it just takes us some time to get there.

I wonder how fast that can work. Can an unattractive videogame character be attractive from qualities?

Would it not be interesting to have the actual character model change as a relationship evolved?