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rgnrk: It's not surprising that I wholeheartedly disagree. And at first -without playing the game- I was also put off by those graphics. Yes, I love sierra/lucasarts era pixel art, but "the last door" where pretty extreme for me. But after playing the great first chapter of the first game I was sold on the overall mood of the game and the graphics part on it. It uses a great color palette and the backgrounds are usually pretty good.
Well, I do have the game in my library so I will likely attempt to actually play it some day perhaps. My first run was just to do some Galaxy related testing and game sampling of sorts, but the graphics poked me in the eye on a pixel corner and caused my eyes to bleed so I need to get some safety glasses before another trial run in the future. :)

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rgnrk: Are you sure your not confusing the atari 2600 with the ps3 or something? It looks a lot more from you era... ;P
Yup, I'm pretty sure. The Atari was my first home gaming experience (excluding one of those hand-held Pac-man arcade games prior to that), followed by a couple of Commodore 64s, a Commodore 128, an 8-bit NES, a gameless dry spell for a few years, and finally my first PC. Other than the Atari 2600 and NES I have never owned (nor ever wanted to own) any console gaming system since the NES.

PC Gaming Master Race(TM)!!! :)
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CharlesGrey: Oh, right Evil Within. I've heard mixed opinions regarding its quality, but I'm definitely curious. Probably would have picked it up by now, but I don't have one of the current gen consoles, and rarely buy games on Steam. Maybe I'll consider the latter. Ditto for Until Dawn. :(
It's not great, but worth experiencing.
The dlc is better than the game though as it focuses on doing one thing well instead of being a master of none.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: ...
Another great point and click adventure I can highly recommend is The Last Door, even though it is a bit short. I solved the game in pretty much exactly 4 hours but these 4 hours were very intense. Don't let the 'crappy' graphics put you off the game. The graphics deliberately mimic very old 16-bit adventure games to leave more to the imagination of the player. The story, the atmosphere and the soundtrack of the game are going to leave you breathless and with goosebumps through the entirety of the game.
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CharlesGrey: I think I refused to buy "The Last Door" precisely because of those "crappy" graphics. Mind you, I like pixel art games, but everything has its limits... If they want to leave the visual details to the player's imagination, why not go all the way and make it a text adventure? Maybe with some illustrations for key game scenes. I think I'd be far more interested in that.
Ha, that's funny. That is exactly what I thought about the game before I actually played it.

But after hearing so many good things about it I got curious and entered a giveaway for it. I got lucky and wanted to try the game for a little while before going to sleep in the evening. The result was that I couldn't stop playing until I finished the game in the middle of the night. And since I have been playing games now for over 30 years there are hardly any games anymore that manage to captivate me like that.

TL;DR: If you like p&c adventures and the horror genre and you have not played The Last Door you are doing yourself a disservice.
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CharlesGrey: If they want to leave the visual details to the player's imagination, why not go all the way and make it a text adventure? Maybe with some illustrations for key game scenes. I think I'd be far more interested in that.
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zeogold: A horror text adventure game? How would you pull that off without sound/graphics?
I've always been interested in making one.
Look up "The Count" and "Voodoo Castle" by Scott Adams as well as "The Lurking Horror" by Infocom.
Post edited September 26, 2016 by Geralt_of_Rivia
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CharlesGrey: I think I refused to buy "The Last Door" precisely because of those "crappy" graphics. Mind you, I like pixel art games, but everything has its limits... If they want to leave the visual details to the player's imagination, why not go all the way and make it a text adventure? Maybe with some illustrations for key game scenes. I think I'd be far more interested in that.
I'm not crazy about most of the newer "retro" low-res titles, but for me "The Last Door" is the very, very rare case where it is handled well. It's one of those cases where the screenshots don't convey the whole atmosphere. Get into the game and the whole package just works, somehow. There's a free demo over on thelastdoor.com if you want to sample the gameplay.
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Bouchart: There's Overblood, which nobody talks about because it's mediocre overall.
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CharlesGrey: I think I've watched a Let's Play of that one. It's a Playstation 1 game, isn't it? I'm actually not opposed to a little trash in Horror games or films. Even the popular RE games were always rather trashy and cliché. ( Of course they make up for it with great atmosphere and gameplay. )
Yes it's a PS1 game and it's a poor man's Resident Evil.
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doccarnby: *snip*
I must have missed that about System Shock 3. I expect it will probably be a long time before it's ready for release... ? Either way, I hope it will be available on GOG.

As for AitD ( 2008 ), you're probably talking about the driving sections? I remember the controls and collision detection were kinda poor, but it wasn't so bad after you got used to it. And Atari never released any of those improvements for the PC or Xbox owners of the game?
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Ricky_Bobby: There are two YT channels I follow that cover many of the new horror games being released: and [url=https://www.youtube.com/user/HarshlyCritical]HarshlyCritical. You might want to check them out for ideas.

What I personally look for in a horror game is a creepy and mysterious atmosphere, therefore:

The Dark Fall games have already been mentioned, some of the puzzles can be very difficult though.
FEAR, the first game.
The STALKER games had plenty of creepy moments.
The Penumbra series have also been mentioned, I like them more than Amnesia, they feel more unique to me.
The Metro games.
Stasis
Pathologic
The STALKER series is great. I probably wouldn't call it a Horror series per se, but it's very atmospheric, and does frequently have scary moments. The detailed game world, and the fact that it's based on real locations and events, gives it a much stronger impact compared to purely fictional settings.

I tried FEAR a while ago, but wasn't really impressed. Maybe it gets better later on, but the first few hours mostly felt like a standard FPS game to me. And I also tried Pathologic earlier this year, but couldn't really get into it either.

I might pick up Stasis though. Not sure I'm currently in the mood for the genre, but the setting seems interesting.
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CharlesGrey: Oh, right Evil Within. I've heard mixed opinions regarding its quality, but I'm definitely curious. Probably would have picked it up by now, but I don't have one of the current gen consoles, and rarely buy games on Steam. Maybe I'll consider the latter. Ditto for Until Dawn. :(
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omega64: It's not great, but worth experiencing.
The dlc is better than the game though as it focuses on doing one thing well instead of being a master of none.
I just saw that Evil Within goes for about 10 bucks on Amazon. In my experience the Steam client tends to be a pain in the ass, and I prefer fully DRM-free games, but at that price I might consider it.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: Ha, that's funny. That is exactly what I thought about the game before I actually played it.

But after hearing so many good things about it I got curious and entered a giveaway for it. I got lucky and wanted to try the game for a little while before going to sleep in the evening. The result was that I couldn't stop playing until I finished the game in the middle of the night. And since I have been playing games now for over 30 years there are hardly any games anymore that manage to captivate me like that.

TL;DR: If you like p&c adventures and the horror genre and you have not played The Last Door you are doing yourself a disservice.
To be fair, I know that first impressions can be deceiving sometimes. Maybe I'll pick up Last Door during a promo and give it a chance.
Post edited September 27, 2016 by CharlesGrey
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CharlesGrey: Maybe I'll pick up Last Door during a promo and give it a chance.
You can also easily try it out online. A lot of sites (its own website, but also kongregate and stuff) have flash versions of it.

See later if you want to support it...
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CharlesGrey: I must have missed that about System Shock 3. I expect it will probably be a long time before it's ready for release... ? Either way, I hope it will be available on GOG.

As for AitD ( 2008 ), you're probably talking about the driving sections? I remember the controls and collision detection were kinda poor, but it wasn't so bad after you got used to it. And Atari never released any of those improvements for the PC or Xbox owners of the game?
Yeah, they're doing very early, preproduction work on it. They'll be getting to work on it after Underworld Ascendant, I presume.

And yeah, I'm talking the driving section. Sometimes the camera gets stuck, though I was lucky to not have that ever happen. And yeah, I remember that Atari said the PC and 360 version would get the PS3 version upgrades, and then they said it'd happen if the PS3 version sold well enough, then there were rumours the patch was too big and Microsoft wouldn't lets it go through so they just cancelled the patch entirely, and then when the people on the AitD subforums complained Atari closed them. Which version did you play? The PS3 version had a lot of improvements to handling and stuff. It was pretty awful on PC.

Edit: I adore the FEAR series. I feel like Perseus Mandate and 2 are the most horror focused. Don't bother with Reborn, that was real bad though.
Post edited September 27, 2016 by doccarnby
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CharlesGrey: That's all I can think of for now. But while we're on the topic of Resident Evil, are classic "Survival Horror" games still a thing? Games such as RE 1, 2, 3 & Code: Veronica, or the old Silent Hill games -- Do developers still make such games? It seems nowadays they only make "Stealth Horror" titles, where you spend about 50% of the game time hiding inside lockers or under beds, and the other half of the time you run around like a headless chicken, because you're being chased and have no means to fight back. It's an interesting concept, but gets kinda old after a while. Something a little closer to the RE roots would be nice for a change.
You mentioned some console games, so maybe take a look at Siren (PS2) if you can find it. It has some rough edges, but I had trouble sleeping after I tried it out.

The story is broken up into segments that you unlock, so you don't get a linear picture at first. It has a neat mechanic in that you can look through the eyes of the monsters; you basically expose yourself to their mumbling and snarling while you watch to learn their locations, patrol paths, armament, etc. Some parts give you a weapon, some don't. Sadly, there are a few areas where you need to escort someone, though you do have some basic commands.

Also, it doesn't look like anyone has mentioned Fatal Frame yet.
Fatal Frame is awesome.

Clive Barker's Undying is my all time favorite horror game.

Aliens vs Predator was pretty good too.

Granted, these are old games, but I haven't played the newer games like Amnesia, Outlast, Soma, etc. My PC is super old. (It won't run any games from 2006 and up. I can't wait to try Among the Sleep and Layers of Fear whenever I get around to building a new machine.

Although I did just finish Dead Space on PS3 and enjoyed it very much. It's almost like a video game version of the movie Event Horizon.

Thanks to whoever mentioned Nocturne. Forgot about that one. I have a retail copy that I'm gonna dust off and finally play.
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doccarnby: *snip*
I had the old Xbox 360 version of AitD. ( Due to the low review ratings I was actually able to pick up the collector's edition really cheap, with a bunch of extra goodies. ) Aside from being a little rough around the edges, I don't remember any major problems, but I don't know how bad the PC port turned out.

As for FEAR, I only played a few hours of the first one but wasn't really impressed. I should add that I have about zero interest in generic military Shooters, and for the most that's what FEAR felt like during those first few hours. You just shoot at human opponents in SWAT gear, and every now and then there's some random scripted shock effect or vision and most of those were rather boring. I do remember a handful of more creative and creepy effects later on, so maybe the game gets better after the first few chapters/missions?
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Bookwyrm627: You mentioned some console games, so maybe take a look at Siren (PS2) if you can find it. It has some rough edges, but I had trouble sleeping after I tried it out.

The story is broken up into segments that you unlock, so you don't get a linear picture at first. It has a neat mechanic in that you can look through the eyes of the monsters; you basically expose yourself to their mumbling and snarling while you watch to learn their locations, patrol paths, armament, etc. Some parts give you a weapon, some don't. Sadly, there are a few areas where you need to escort someone, though you do have some basic commands.

Also, it doesn't look like anyone has mentioned Fatal Frame yet.
I've played some of the Forbidden Siren and Fatal Frame/ Project Zero games on PS2 and 3. I really enjoyed the first Fatal Frame. It's a refreshingly different setting and gameplay compared to most Horror games. Too bad that most of those games aren't available on PC, aside from emulation.
Post edited September 27, 2016 by CharlesGrey
The Evil Within was very good, it did remind me of older horror games like Resident Evil 2 and 4.
Resident Evil: Revelations 2 was good for similar reasons, I have not played #1.

Has the Condemned games been mentioned ?
Shadows of the Damned was very cool, but I don't think it got a PC release, just PS3 and '360.

I liked Alien Isolation, although the flamethrower was completely OP. I've even replayed the game without using it on the Alien. It's not a perfect game by any means, for example most of the missions do end up feeling like fetch-quests. However the atmosphere is great and there are more gameplay elements involved apart from just sneaking and hiding, on harder difficulty it becomes crucial to use decoys and learning how to otherwise distract the Alien. It has become a tradition for me to replay this game every year.

I completely understand the hesitation to play The Last Door. I love the classic pixelated games and many of the modern ones, but some of the newer ones take it to the extreme, as does this one. However I would also say that the atmosphere in the game is very good, courtesy of the sound design and music; they manage to "fill out" the game-world enough to compensate for the blocky pixel art. If you see it on sale it's worth considering, keeping in mind the game is very short at 3-4 hours.

However, if you want to play a point & click horror game, I'd rather recommend games like Stasis, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Uncanny Valley and Scratches.

The Long Dark is perhaps not a horror game in the traditional sense, but having wolves and bears coming after you whilst trying to survive hunger, thirst and hypothermia is very stressful and quite scary.
Post edited September 27, 2016 by Ricky_Bobby
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Frajalistic: Fatal Frame is awesome.

Clive Barker's Undying is my all time favorite horror game.

Aliens vs Predator was pretty good too.

Granted, these are old games, but I haven't played the newer games like Amnesia, Outlast, Soma, etc. My PC is super old. (It won't run any games from 2006 and up. I can't wait to try Among the Sleep and Layers of Fear whenever I get around to building a new machine.

Although I did just finish Dead Space on PS3 and enjoyed it very much. It's almost like a video game version of the movie Event Horizon.
Undying is really good. It's surprisingly creepy and atmospheric, despite the outdated visuals. Would be a great candidate for a modern remake. I also enjoyed Clive Barker's Jericho, even though it's very different from Undying. ( Another game which should be part of GOG's library, damn it. )

And sorry to hear about your outdated hardware. I had the same problem with my past PCs, but currently have the luxury of owning a fairly decent gaming PC. It's only "average", but so far it can handle any new game I've thrown at it. I highly recommend SOMA, once you're able to play it.

And yeah, Dead Space was pretty fun. Felt a bit like Resident Evil 4 meets System Shock 2, although it didn't have the complexity of the latter.