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StingingVelvet: Well I'm having crashing problems again. Hmmmm.
Did the gpu driver crash (and did it recover afterwards) or full system hang? Specific code error in the log, or something generic?

80mins of gaming seems long enough to appear stable, so maybe something overheated. Revert back to stock/baseline on gpu and hw monitor/log cpu/mobo/gpu temps, specifically vrm temps on mobo, just to rule out possible causes other than the gpu. System could have been stable with the old gpu, but the new one is pushing it further, not to mention dumping more hot air around those passive heatsinks.

Btw do you happen to have a UPS backup or ability to borrow/try a decent one? Just an idea, not sure if that would have any effect on your setup.
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Xeshra: The reason why the specs in the past was much lower is simply because we was technically limited, so we had to fake a lot of things and scientists was trying to find some good explanations trying to explain why we do not need more than this. The brain is starting to compensate "the lack", thats why they came to such conclusions. Wrong, because the brain actually is having a big load by "smoothen out" all the fake it gets... ultimately able to cause fatigue or even worse matters. Most people may not be affected or only "over time", but with increased quality of the picture the fatigue will decrease aswell. I still love the good old games but with improved tech, if there is some possibility. This is a huge work but this is the way "how to bring it over to the new era", improving the original purely technically without any changes made in a artistic way.
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dtgreene: I'd argue that this only really applies when the graphics are reasonably realistic. For games with 2D graphics that are not even close to realistic, I suspect the brain doesn't try to make it realistic and instead interprets it as like a semi-abstract representation.

I note that the games most likely to give me headaches for visual related reasons are earlier games with "realistic" 3D graphics, like Daggerfall. (Note that camera movement doesn't help matters; that's one reason why I would rather not use mouselook on this sort of game.) But give me Super Mario Bros. 1-3 (or World), and my brain has no trouble keeping up; in fact, I think it's easier to tell what's going on in these games.
Interesting perception... could be true because the issues is usually only appearing on "realistic 3D graphics".

Ultimately, different games may need different tech and as more realistic it gets the more performance may be required.

Ugh... Witcher 3 is now the biggest GPU-destroyer: With almost all setting maxed, shadow and grass 1 lower and RT is set to performance only... i barely can manage 120 FPS in 1080P. In 4k settings it have to be reduced way more and dynamic resolution i guess. Dependable on game, the hardware is still not sufficient.... although i kinda got a monster inside.

https://ibb.co/Pc02YHB

So far no game with bigger demand found... (normalized to 120 FPS)

GPU 97% load = 406 Watt fan speed high at 81 C. CPU some cores are over 90% load at 77 C (highest so far).

In general, very balanced system for full setting@ 1080P/120 FPS or reduced settings 4k/120 FPS. The CPU is surely sufficient in order to achieve 120 FPS on every game but not by far. The GPU is not at the edge of what may be required, i would say it would not hurt getting a GPU even twice that powerful.

Still: Many settings can safely be reduced with almost no quality loss... so it is kinda a unnecessary performance hog. If i reduce non required settings the system is now pretty capable.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by Xeshra
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Xeshra: Ugh... Witcher 3 is now the biggest GPU-destroyer: With almost all setting maxed, shadow and grass 1 lower and RT is set to performance only... i barely can manage 120 FPS in 1080P. In 4k settings it have to be reduced way more and dynamic resolution i guess. Dependable on game, the hardware is still not sufficient.... although i kinda got a monster inside.

https://ibb.co/Pc02YHB

So far no game with bigger demand found... (normalized to 120 FPS)

GPU 97% load = 406 Watt fan speed high at 81 C. CPU some cores are over 90% load at 77 C (highest so far).

In general, very balanced system for full setting@ 1080P/120 FPS or reduced settings 4k/120 FPS. The CPU is surely sufficient in order to achieve 120 FPS on every game but not by far. The GPU is not at the edge of what may be required, i would say it would not hurt getting a GPU even twice that powerful.

Still: Many settings can safely be reduced with almost no quality loss... so it is kinda a unnecessary performance hog. If i reduce non required settings the system is now pretty capable.
is the update worth the performance hit?
The new Witcher 3 is surely worth it, but not because of the graphics, simply because of the added content and it is the most complete version.

If your system got some muscles to spare without struggling doing so... you may even achieve some polished graphics... mainly the effects and lighting in general, which may give the game a more atmospheric look for some additional deepness.

Better graphics is a bonus and some sort of quality expander... but it is not the reason why a game actually is good or even great. Although, i am artistic in nature, i enjoy some good presentation... especially when i get some crispy looking graphics because i will notice blurry (i may get tears in my eyes... the N64 was a nightmare and almost any new Nintendo console) graphics very much, especially when the picture is moving. So it surely is always a bonus to me, and even a slight difference may improve my experience still.

I noticed, the 3090 TI can handle almost any settings but with RT i would not go beyond the performance-settings, else the game will start to judder without smoothness (even if the FPS is alright) and not fun to play like this. I assume the 2. gen RT engine is simply not strong enough and not sure a 3. gen 4090 or 4000 series in general may do the trick. However, there is truly almost no difference when it comes to RT i feel... simply fun to play with if you have the power, but not a game-changer at visuals. Maybe on AMD GPUs not even the performance RT may be recommended, still to much performance hit, but who knows. Can still play with dynamic resolution but not sure if this will result into sufficient quality without lack of smoothness and stuff.

Surely, with some gentle settings it is the best Witcher 3 so far...
Post edited March 13, 2023 by Xeshra
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Spectrum_Legacy: Did the gpu driver crash (and did it recover afterwards) or full system hang? Specific code error in the log, or something generic?
I've had a few "AMD driver has crashed" notifications but usually games just hand for a second and crash to desktop. Happened a lot when I first got the card in there but after getting more airflow and changing some settings I thought I stopped it. Now it's back.

I put my old 3070 into the same exact system last night to see if it crashes today. Just curious.
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Xeshra: Snip
Thanks for the feedback.

With 'mere' 6700xt I wont be able to enjoy graphical improvements but maybe with upgrade to 8700xt or 5070ti or similar in near future I might replay the game.

It was such a great massive game. One of the best gaming experiences I had.
Okay I get the same crashes with my old 3070 and the new PSU, but don;t get them with the old PSU, so it is a power problem of some sort. Lame.

I'll exchange the PSU but I'm guessing that's not it.

Also is it an AMD thing for you to have a hitch when going below your RTSS cap, or is that a bug I'm experiencing? I didn't have it when I used my 3070 again, but it's very obvious with the 7900.
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StingingVelvet: Okay I get the same crashes with my old 3070 and the new PSU, but don;t get them with the old PSU, so it is a power problem of some sort. Lame.

I'll exchange the PSU but I'm guessing that's not it.

Also is it an AMD thing for you to have a hitch when going below your RTSS cap, or is that a bug I'm experiencing? I didn't have it when I used my 3070 again, but it's very obvious with the 7900.
I think riva does not play nice with amds current gpus.

Is Adrenalin from amd not sufficient for your needs or not working correctly?
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StingingVelvet: Okay I get the same crashes with my old 3070 and the new PSU, but don;t get them with the old PSU, so it is a power problem of some sort. Lame.

I'll exchange the PSU but I'm guessing that's not it.

Also is it an AMD thing for you to have a hitch when going below your RTSS cap, or is that a bug I'm experiencing? I didn't have it when I used my 3070 again, but it's very obvious with the 7900.
Damn that sucks. I'm super curious what is the underlying problem though.

I don't have rdna3 to test with rtss, but isn't it freesync/gsync related? Or maybe it is some overlay that acts funky on the gpu, as I remember reading that they don't like legacy apis like dx9 much, but there is always dxvk for games at least in such cases.
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lukaszthegreat: Is Adrenalin from amd not sufficient for your needs or not working correctly?
I'm just used to using RTSS on my Nvidia systems. I'm gonna try closing it and playing something right now.
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lukaszthegreat: Is Adrenalin from amd not sufficient for your needs or not working correctly?
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StingingVelvet: I'm just used to using RTSS on my Nvidia systems. I'm gonna try closing it and playing something right now.
what did you use RTSS for?

I never did myself when I had 1070 so unsure exactly which options are in RTSS but not in AMD stuff.
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lukaszthegreat: I never did myself when I had 1070 so unsure exactly which options are in RTSS but not in AMD stuff.
Didn't say there were any. I used RTSS to cap my framerate just because I read it has the lowest latency, that's all.

I didn't experience the under-cap stutter using AMD's own capping option, so that's one issue maybe solved. Thanks
Post edited March 14, 2023 by StingingVelvet
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lukaszthegreat: I never did myself when I had 1070 so unsure exactly which options are in RTSS but not in AMD stuff.
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StingingVelvet: Didn't say there were any. I used RTSS to cap my framerate just because I read it has the lowest latency, that's all.

I didn't experience the under-cap stutter using AMD's own capping option, so that's one issue maybe solved. Thanks
So what was the word on an UPS?
- check for mobo BIOS update
- check for GPU BIOS update
- check device manager for yellow triangles with !
- check memory for errors, that used to be memtest86 back in the 90s but i haven't had any stability
issues in like 25 years so i'm not up-to-date on what the current memory checker is called
- try lowering your memory speed (sorry)
- did you undervolt? undo it, and for godsake don't take tech advice from GOG forums :)
- try running cinebench a few times, if that doesn't crash you it's not heat
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renegade042: - try lowering your memory speed (sorry)
I had randomly tried this earlier tonight and got a good 2 hour gaming session in with no crashes. I lowered my XMP profile to level 2, which cut the RAM speed from 6000 to 5600. Obviously I paid for 6000 RAM and would like to use 6000 RAM though. Also since my testing seemed to show it only happens with the new PSU it's kind of an odd combination?

I don't know how much of it is random chance, AMD drivers or high-end GPU pickiness but whatever the combination this whole thing has been a pain in the arse.
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renegade042: - try lowering your memory speed (sorry)
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StingingVelvet: I had randomly tried this earlier tonight and got a good 2 hour gaming session in with no crashes. I lowered my XMP profile to level 2, which cut the RAM speed from 6000 to 5600. Obviously I paid for 6000 RAM and would like to use 6000 RAM though. Also since my testing seemed to show it only happens with the new PSU it's kind of an odd combination?

I don't know how much of it is random chance, AMD drivers or high-end GPU pickiness but whatever the combination this whole thing has been a pain in the arse.
Heh wouldn't you know it...memtest86 is still a thing in 2023 :)
Also there is a builtin memory checker in windows 10.
If there are no errors found you can check memory off the list of crash causes, otherwise check
the specs of your memory and increase the voltage if permissive.
Tried a clean windows install yet? You did switch GPU manufacturers and windows is so good at not cleaning
up old junk....