We already have tags like "nudity" and 'someone' actually decides which games are behind a disclaimer and wich not.
So if users can select (for themselves, not for all) "only show games without disclaimer", the more adult stuff - both when it comes to sexuality and brutality - would stay hidden.

The sexy games from the last decade are gone. Games like BMXXX or Outlaw Volleyball are forgotten, no big publisher dares to put anything in their games that could call out the league of purity and innocence. The japanese developers (DOAX3 for PS4 for example or DOAXVV) limit their games to the asian market.
The demand is still there however, which is met by the indie developers. And since they have no big risks, they go further than the A+ developers would. And that's what lands on platforms like this then. It's like with the prohibition back then. It was impossible to find light alcohol. Everything had a lots of it in it. At leat that's how I see it.

"FrodoBaggins only made three posts" - In this thread, maybe, but it's a story that's been going on for quite some time now. And FrodoBaggins has been taking an active part in this witch hunt for a long time too. She doesn't care about those people who want to play these games. She doesn't care about those people who want to sell these games. But for some reason, everyone should care about what she wants. Despite the fact that the first two groups do not impose their desires on others, but she is trying.

"What makes you so sure that there aren't millions of women out there affected by porn games?" - What makes you sure otherwise? In both cases, we are dealing with assumptions. So why should one person's assumptions weigh more than another's? Why, on the basis of assumptions, should something be subject to a total ban? I repeat: There is no evidence of the harm of these games, there are no legal bans on their sale or launch. And that means there are no reasons for deletions either.

"...when faced with this" - And with all these words she encountered just like that, out of the blue? Or were they caused precisely by her post? It is rather strange to demand that something be taken away from people without good reason, and then be surprised that they reacted negatively to it.

And what's wrong with the question "How is it that sex is a much more terrible and forbidden crime than theft, murder, cannibalism and genocide?"? After all, she demands the removal of games in which one fictional character seduces another, while not seeing problems in games in which much more terrible things happen.

"Don't play this and that! Here's a list of games I've approved, you can play them. Everything else is forbidden." - that's exactly what she says. "I don't approve of these games, so no one should play them." Or is the call to remove an entire genre from the store based on personal desires not "only play genres that I approve of"?

"learn to distinguish between games and reality." - and what else should I say if a person really has problems with this? She claims that fans of porn games are against their removal because "'It's okay to treat women like objects because I like it". It is normal to treat fictional characters of any gender, skin color, and even planet of birth as objects. Because they are fictional characters. You can do anything with them, and no one will get hurt. But this does not mean that the same approach is used to real people. What, do all fans of shooters consider real people to be just meat, which is fun to shoot? No. Maybe all Carmageddon fans think that in real life it’s also cool to crush people with whole packs? I strongly doubt it. So why are there any labels attached to fans of adult games? Why is it that just for having an interest in a certain type of game, people are written down as some kind of moral freaks?

And she deserved to be accused of lying. People oppose the removal of games not because they think the objectification of real women is a good thing, as she claims.

The rest of the attempts to make her a victim are also ridiculous. Does anyone force these games on her? No. But she comes and demands that they be taken away from everyone. What reaction did she expect? Do you think that fans of shooters, strategies or quests will be gentle with those who demand to remove all games of these genres?

"Make your mind up." It's amazing that this needs to be explained. There are games (and not only) in which the male characters are in the same position that the female characters are in the games FrodoBaggins has ganged up on. I don't see any problems or objectification in them. But, drawing a parallel, it can be argued that since in these games women are "objectified", then men are "objectified" in those games. That's all.

"Porn tends to feature women as only there for the pleasure of men" - and I want to remind you once again that there are porn games aimed specifically at the female audience, in which the genders reverse roles. So no one is discriminated against in this case) Yes, these games haven’t been added to GoG yet, but I already wrote about the supply and demand connection

P.S.: Fortunately, we still live in a free society. People have the right not to play or watch what they don't like. And they also have the right to play and watch what they like. Attempts to forcibly impose your hobbies on others or to forbid others what seems bad to you personally are equally inappropriate

I just gotta ask...is the problem that you don't want kids to see store images of pornographic games
or you don't want them seeing you look at them?

You should have a bigger issue with violent games, cause they might give kids the idea that it's cool
to point guns at people just for fun...take them to school to show them off to friends...use them on teachers
they don't like....

Theres always Steam if you dont like Porn.

Oh look. Someone placing themselves between a gamer and his pixel titties. People haven't learnt anything from gamergate ? Just evoking the idea of separating the porn section one whole click away from the toys aisle is already an outrage and a menace on their sexual lives.

It's like stopping a freight train with your nose - a freight train carrying money to GOG's bank, actually.

Though actually, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a temporary situation. Just like society has started realizing the consequences of online life when it comes to social medias and long term privacy issues, there's an increasing awareness on the consequence of uncontrollably early exposure to porn in the free-for-all internet. For now the attention is turned towards the management of video porn sites on the internet ecosystem, but toy shops selling logo mickey mouse next to assrape simulator xxx-treme (and advertising them side by side) will probably end up raising an eyebrow at some point.

No matter the profit, rationalizations and hypocrisies at stake here. But hey, frankly, what's the point of discussing it here. Know your audience, as gog's grinning marketing team would say.

The problem is not that someone is trying to get between the player and the pixel boobs. The problem is that someone has decided that it is normal to demand that something that makes them uncomfortable be taken away from everyone. A number of politicians regularly try to blame the games of the Mortal Kombat and GTA series for all mortal sins. So if a few users start demanding that these harmful games be removed from regular digital stores and only sold in "specialized stores for violent games" - everyone else will have to silently indulge their desires?

No, that would be stupid and clearly nobody is asking to ban things "just in case". If there are billions of men affected by those games then they should definitely speak up though.

I thought it was quite obvious I was mentioning it as an example of why it might seem like nobody is affected when in fact they are and are just not talking about it.

Once again, it was an example of how people might be affected by something but feel unable to open up about it. Once again you're essentially be quiet and go away.

I'm not "pulling the gender card". Gender is relevant here as an example of why people could see porn in games as more problematic than violence.

Not seeing an example here of why FrodoBaggins should care about any of those people. If we're bringing other threads into it then you tried to accuse me *multiple times* of being unable to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

You assumed something.
I pointed out why your assumption might be wrong.
You assumed I assumed the opposite to you them went on to explain why assumptions are bad.
I repeat: At no point have I argued for a total ban on anything. Presumably there was no evidence that asbestos was harmful when they first used it, that doesn't mean it wasn't.

That's exactly my point. If anyone else feels the same way, they could read that (without having made any demands) and may well keep quiet and you can go on assuming that all of the other girls are absolutely calm about it.

Nothing at all wrong with the question. I was just trying to provide an answer since it keeps getting asked. How do you know she has no problem with other games anyway? More assumptions perhaps?

That's not exactly what she's saying and it's not what I think should happen so there's no point in continually directing this at me. I'm saying that we should be open to the posibility that things can cause more harm to others than we realise, there's a certain level of harm where banning might be the best option and we should be more willing to converse in a less aggressive, insulting way with each other even if we disagree.

You're doing it again. You don't need to say anything because it's not happening. If FrodoBaggins really does think this then I apologise to you but, as I said earlier, you do have a track record of accusing people of this when they have said no such thing.

There's a difference between lying and being wrong. I'm not saying she's right about that but I also don't think it's helpful to jump straight to "lie".

No I don't but I damn well think they should be if that person is saying something is causing them harm! Just to be clear: I'm not saying that you are victimising her (although the reaction has been rather more hostile than I think is necessary), I'm trying to point out why people might feel too woried to be open about this kind of thing.

Saying "women aren't objectified but men are objectified too" kind of does warrant an explanation.

That's why I said "tends to". It's still the majority of it and that's why I think it's an issue.

P.S. At no point have I disagreed with this so you can stop telling me now.

I agree. I found them so annoying and ... annoying.

Yes it is. The rest is just the usual hyperbole ("other shop"), slippery slope argument ("what if they also did it with") and false equivalences (porn/sexuality/eroticism/violence/gore/etc) meant to evacuate the issue. Nothing serious there.

Hey but if we did get between you and your pixel boobs, you'd have real boobs instaed!

[Just a silly joke, not meant to imply anything or offend in any way.]

I remember when I was kid I played something like "Las Vegas Virtual Poker" it was strip poker, if you won, girls took their clothes off.

Im 100% sure porn games could be massive, due to PornHubs popularity.

There isn't.

But sometimes add banners for manga VNs or games like Huniepop and Being a DIK or Houseparty pop up (on the start page or when searching something) and apparently they are so evil, that everyone should be protected from having to see them.
It was also mentioned that this is unbalanced, that it was all about women and no half naked men bursting out of their underpants.

Then of course their gamepages were also a object of rage, even if they are behind a disclaimer, that everyone offended by such content should not visit them.

She shouldn't. But in this case, no one is obliged to attach at least some importance to her desires either. In such cases, everything works on the principle of reciprocity.

At a minimum, the existence of girls playing porn games of various directions is not an assumption, but quite a fact. Why do these games suit them, and do not make them suffer? Are they some kind of wrong women? Or do they all, without exception, like to obey, to be "objectified"? Or was it, at the very least, not fair on the part of FrodoBaggins to speak for the entire female gender? Google translator writes either sex or gender, so if there are any problems with this word, all complaints are against it :)

But you are actively acting as an advocacy to the one who demands it. If something causes discomfort to her, let her demand the opportunity to protect herself from this once and for all, and not stick her nose into the lives of other people. It doesn't matter if we are talking about games, meat, or something else - she doesn't have the slightest right to decide for other people what is allowed and what is not.

I have never seen messages from her against other games. But against erotic games - many times. Even at the beginning of this year, many spears were broken on this occasion. So the conclusions are made on the basis of observations.

What do you think she is saying? How else can you interpret "I find porn games harmful and want them banned for everyone"? Is there some kind of secret technique that simultaneously implies both deleting the game and keeping it available for those who do not consider it harmful?

Let's take a look at one of her messages, because of which I did not become silent:
"These disgusting porn games are designed to please little boys, at the expense of the woman. It is the woman that is degraded. The woman that gets paraded around like objests. The woman whose private parts are cheapened and exploited.
The man is not treated like that. The man is treated with respect. It's about time we stopped getting treated as objects. I fully support banning the porn games."
What do we see here?
1) Insulting people just for liking something that she doesn't like. If a person starts with insults, he must be prepared for the fact that he will be answered in the same way.
2) Lies and deliberately misleading people in order to give her position a more sacrificial tone. "The man is not treated like that" - games in which this takes place exist. They are not something unacceptable and forbidden, created in secret from everyone, under the threat of harassment or huge prison terms.
3) Mixing games and reality. "It's about time we stopped getting treated as objects" - who is "we"? Is FrodoBaggins the heroine of some porn game who magically got the opportunity to contact our world and thus asks to save her? Or do some porn games use real women without their consent? If the former - to be honest, I'll be confused and intrigued at the same time. If the second - the police should deal with this, not the inhabitant of the forum.
Where is the connection between the attitude towards fictional characters and the attitude towards real people?

You know, when you sit quietly, don’t touch anyone, don’t harm anyone, and then a person comes and accuses you of some nasty things, declares the need to ban something that you like - it’s not so easy to react calmly. Just because I or anyone else plays porn games doesn't mean we have a bad attitude towards real women. But we were all labeled just like that.

There were only a handful of standard porn games at one time (and they were very limited in terms of genre diversity). Time will pass - and there will also be many such games, if demand does not suddenly disappear. And I think it will be good. The more different games for absolutely any (even what seems strange or bad to me) taste - the better. Everyone should be able to play what they personally like

Of course, you know better than me what exactly I am dissatisfied with)


By the way, FrodoBaggins, in fact there is no genre of "porn games" at all. Games with this context are found in almost any genre - from three-in-a-row and VN to strategies and shooters. And the context of what is happening in them is also very different. There are those that are not much different from some ordinary film, in which they tell a full-fledged story, but don’t leave a couple of sex scenes “behind the scenes” and show them in one form or another. As a conditional example - the recent "Eternals". So, in such films, someone is also objectified? Should they also be banned?


P.S.: I would like to add a normal form for sending messages and the ability to quote the necessary parts of posts to the piggy bank of requirements for GoG. Because what you have to deal with now is a real disaster.

Such games have been around a very long time. Strip Poker was even on 8bit machines (Atari, apple, Amiga, etc), i had access to the Atari variant.

Funniest part i remember i had a super big bet and got them to match; And having 4 Kings in my hand, and the AI answering with 'Fuck!' and then stripping.

But beyond that...

Maybe. Far more likely you'll just get a compilation of all the saucy scenes, some with replacement music to make it amv/hmv's. Which just makes me wish some of those games were translated as a number of them are animated very well.