No, I'm doing my best to see what FrodoBaggins is actually trying to say.

I think there is a difference between wanting something banned because you don't like it and bacause you genuinely think it's harmful. I have no problem at all with people expressing their concerns and I'm not going to dismiss them as lies "because actually you just don't like it". Just because something hasn't had a negative effect on you doesn't mean it hasn't on someone else.

Here's my position: Personally/selfishly I think it would be great if all porn games were banned because I don't like them but I'm not arguing for that because I agree with you that it's a ridiculous reason to ban things. However, just because you can think of stupid reasons why things are harmful doesn't mean that there aren't genuine reasons.

I don't think mocking people who feel bad about things is going to help though. Surely that will just make them feel worse and even more keen to have the offending media banned.

Banning porn is kinda stupid, but there are problems with certain games. Japan has a lower AoC and many eroge feature what are underage characters in my country as a result. (I Don't personally think these need to be banned since they don't use actors and I don't think it really causes crime.) More problematically, many eroge contain rape. Which isn't a problem by itself, but obviously many or most use this to be sexually stimulating, which is roughly equivalent to a to torturing people in a torture simulator for fun.

Huge thanks to HappyPunkPotato for defending me \ my position.

As has been said, there's a huge difference between simply not liking a game (and I have never suggested banning games that I don't like), and games that are actually designed to degrade women and treat us like objects.

You can try and twist things as much as you like, JuWalk. You may or may not like puzzle games or platformers or whatever. The fact remains that porn games are designed to objectify women.

False. They're designed to be sexually stimulating.

Peoples having concerns, "genuine" reasons, for them, is one thing forcing them towards others is another altogether.

If you don't like a piece of media, think it somehow "harms" you, or that it goes against whatever belief you might have, that's fine, nobody forces you to consume it, just ignore it and move along. It's your problem so it's you responsibility to avoid it and "protect" yourself from it.

But it is never and never will be a justification asking for it to be banned no matter how much mental gymnastic peoples might pull out to try to justify it.

And that's a position I would never understand nor ever agree with, there are tons of things I personally don't like, heck even some that do offend and/or disgust me, but I would never think or even consider asking for them to be banned. For me it feels like the absolute zenith of entitlement.

With such an argument, you can take up arms against almost anything. How many here want to live in a world where there are more prohibitions than permissions?


This works both ways. The more such people try to forbid me something, the stronger the response will be. People want to sit quietly and play what they like. Something that is absolutely legal. But someone comes and says "You can't play this because I think it's bad." And people should just silently go along with it? It doesn't work like that. As the saying goes, "We didn't start this war." After all, none of the lovers of porn games does not force their opponents to play these games. But in the opposite direction, pressure takes place regularly. So it's rather strange to be surprised that events develop according to Newton's third law)


PS: Even the most depraved or cruel games cannot make a scumbag out of a normal person. If a person initially has some kind of deviations that are harmful to others, you need to look for the reasons in upbringing, environment, mental health, etc. Don't blame everything on games. After all, all these problems existed long before the advent of games as such.

Even if it was true, who care ?

GTA is designed for peoples to murder other peoples, steal cars, etc... Dungeon Keeper let's you torture peoples until they join you, Stellaris let's you end trillions of sentient life with a single click, Frostpunk let's you work children to death and then use their dead body as food, usually most of those things are shunned in the real world, but a game is a game.

If you find that game X or Y degrade women, men, dogs or aliens and you don't like it, just play another one there are tons of games here or on Steam that are probably more suited for you. But that doesn't give you the right to try to force your very own view of the world to other peoples.

That's just how society works. We need to balance people's freedoms with people's welfare.

Yeah, that's exactly what I do.

Looks like you need to remove your "I'm at war" goggles and re-read what my position actually is if you plan to comment on it.

This statement is nothing more than a lie. Are people playing porn games starting to treat real women like objects? No. In the same way that shooter and fighting game players do not automatically begin to consider violence as something good.
There are games that objectify men (otome genre, for example), but we do not make a problem out of this. And many girls are absolutely calm about the existence of porn games. That is, they do not consider the existence of such games as something insulting and humiliating them. So, the problem is not in games, but in the minds of those who really want to be offended by something
Gold words!

How is it that sex is a much more terrible and forbidden crime than theft, murder, cannibalism and genocide?)

And where is the balance in this case? One side says "I play what I like, you play what you like. And just let's not interfere with each other." Another: "Don't play this and that! Here's a list of games I've approved, you can play them. Everything else is forbidden." Whose rights and freedoms are violated by people sitting at home and playing any games?

At some point these threads about porn or adult games are derailed.

The answer to the topic is here:

Everyone in this forum is old enough to do so.

It does work bothways.
"Porn games should be banned because only disgusting perverts like them."
"Porn games should be banned because they have a huge negative impact on me and..."

"Porn games shouldn't be banned because people who want them to be are brainless and can't tell the difference between reality and fiction."
"Porn games shouldn't be banned because it sets a dangerous precedent and..."

I know feelings/opinions are strong on this topic and there isn't much ground for compromise but I do think a less combative attitude could benefit both sides.

It's more like "Don't play these specific games because they are harmful to society". Is there not already some board who decide what games are acceptable or not like with films?

No it's not. The topic was about how to make the shopping experience easier / more pleasurable by hiding games you're not interested in.

Really? I probably see something else here in the past posts. It is a general discussion about porn games where some people want the censorship of said games they don't like. Like dozens of news threads this one here got also derailed with this discussion. And the answer to this was posted by Gersen.

Ignore it! Move on! Let the people who want to play these games have their fun!

In the end it's all a question of "like" and "don't like".
We come up of course with "think of the children" arguments, but they could be applied to so many different game types as there are game types. If we are creative enough, we also find a reason for Tetris being dangerous for children.

Also the "objectifying people of a certain gender" is quite pointless, because it happens a lot more when it comes to certain professions. The very vaste majority in of enemies in games have no personality at all and are just there to get shot in the head.
Do we put people accorting to their characteristic in boxes? Yes, very much. The most obvious example would be cops and robbers. If somoene in a game has a role based on his religion, he's usually christian and part of some secret organization that wants to control the world (call them Templars or Trinity).
This is just how storytelling works, in every kind of game or other media. In adult games it might be the girl the MC wants to bang or the best friend he never payed attention to and now falls in love with or the or the new hot neighbour. But these roles usually have a LOT more personality than most other game characters.

How perverted and morally low must a person be if she wants to see two people get sweaty and 'productive'? In my opinion not more than someone who wants to see a hero shoot 'bad buys' (objectified persons usually being male with a criminal history. Who ever asked for their names? Or if they have a family to feed?).

Are porn games just for little boys? Heck no, that would be financial suicide. Little boys have no money to buy that stuff. Producing something like this for them has no future.
Personally I think these games are mostly for middle aged persons who want to see a glimps of what they missed in their youth or in their current state of life.

Personalized filters? Yes, please. That would be a great feature and serve everyone in his or her own way.
But a general ban because some people "don't like"? That's a strict no.