Posted October 22, 2015
Sachys
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar!
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johnnygoging
I was told there would always be a bigger fish
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the.kuribo
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Posted October 22, 2015
I upgraded some systems in my house recently on the cheap and came upon some interesting revelations:
1) For most games, GPU is much more important than CPU/RAM. I upgraded the following 7-year-old system with an Nvidia GTX 750ti (~$110 USD) and it can now run games like Ultra Street Fighter IV & Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed perfectly smoothly:
CPU: Core2Duo e7300 (2.66 GHz)
Motherboard: el cheapo Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L, PCI Express 1.0 slot only (not 3.0 or even 2.0)
RAM: 2 GB DDR2 RAM (yep, DDR2!)
HDD1: Crucial 64GB SSD (running OS)
HDD2: 3TB Western Digital Green (game installations + storage)
PSU: 600w off-brand unit
OS: Windows 7 OEM, upgraded to Windows 10 (still in free upgrade period)
This system, perhaps even with slightly better specs like a low-grade i3 and 4GB DDR3 RAM with a GTX 750ti, could probably be made/upgraded from a used desktop acquired through eBay for $250-$300 USD in total. This build is being used as my HTPC, and it connects to a 40" TV via HDMI, 1080p projector via HDMI switch, and has 4 XBOX360 wireless controllers connected to it via USB dongle so it functions perfectly as a Netflix + 1080p movie machine / Console-style system in addition to being fully capable with most current generation PC games.
2) Some pre-built companies like HP/Compaq or Dell might use proprietary motherboards and BIOS systems which do not work with all upgrade components. Be careful if purchasing a used pre-built from one of these mass-makers because in my case, an HP system came with a Pegatron Cleveland HL-8 motherboard that would not accept a PCIe 3.0 card, despite the fact that 99% of all motherboards with even just a PCIe 1.0 slot should allow compatability with a PCIe 3.0 card.
1) For most games, GPU is much more important than CPU/RAM. I upgraded the following 7-year-old system with an Nvidia GTX 750ti (~$110 USD) and it can now run games like Ultra Street Fighter IV & Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed perfectly smoothly:
CPU: Core2Duo e7300 (2.66 GHz)
Motherboard: el cheapo Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L, PCI Express 1.0 slot only (not 3.0 or even 2.0)
RAM: 2 GB DDR2 RAM (yep, DDR2!)
HDD1: Crucial 64GB SSD (running OS)
HDD2: 3TB Western Digital Green (game installations + storage)
PSU: 600w off-brand unit
OS: Windows 7 OEM, upgraded to Windows 10 (still in free upgrade period)
This system, perhaps even with slightly better specs like a low-grade i3 and 4GB DDR3 RAM with a GTX 750ti, could probably be made/upgraded from a used desktop acquired through eBay for $250-$300 USD in total. This build is being used as my HTPC, and it connects to a 40" TV via HDMI, 1080p projector via HDMI switch, and has 4 XBOX360 wireless controllers connected to it via USB dongle so it functions perfectly as a Netflix + 1080p movie machine / Console-style system in addition to being fully capable with most current generation PC games.
2) Some pre-built companies like HP/Compaq or Dell might use proprietary motherboards and BIOS systems which do not work with all upgrade components. Be careful if purchasing a used pre-built from one of these mass-makers because in my case, an HP system came with a Pegatron Cleveland HL-8 motherboard that would not accept a PCIe 3.0 card, despite the fact that 99% of all motherboards with even just a PCIe 1.0 slot should allow compatability with a PCIe 3.0 card.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by the.kuribo
johnnygoging
I was told there would always be a bigger fish
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From Canada
Posted October 22, 2015
another thing I want to say is that he should try and maybe find someone who builds them for people. like I said, some people enjoy building shit. look around locally for computer shops or university IT circles to find somebody who can put one together for you. even you pay a fee it might end up saving your more. the best bang for buck is prebuilt + small card, but you can run smack into problems like I and the.kuribo mentioned. 600GBP should get you something quite nice. sale times are in summer and at the end of november and also december.
pcpartpicker.com
a lot of people would tell you not to buy alienware. I would do the same. unless you want to be paying mark ups on your case and keyboard styling as well as your parts.
pcpartpicker.com
a lot of people would tell you not to buy alienware. I would do the same. unless you want to be paying mark ups on your case and keyboard styling as well as your parts.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by johnnygoging
coreyblueexclusive
Deep Darkness
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Posted October 22, 2015
A nice entry to pc gaming for your friend,and at a reasonable price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg
Phc7006
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From Belgium
Posted October 22, 2015
The latest AMD APUs have integrated graphics on par with or better than consoles. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the gaming experience is better, since the games are not optimised (euphemism) in a comparable fashion on PC and on consoles
Now , with a limited budget, I would consider two routes
a) the best possible athlon x4 processor 860K or in the near future 870K( an A10 apu stripped from its graphic core ) with a R9 270X, some serious amount of RAM and good HDD . That's the most cost effective solution
b) the equivalent A10 78xxK APU , that will allow him to save some money as it will rely on its integrated R7 GPU. At a later stage, adding a better discrete card remains an option. But if the intention is to add it from the start, option a) will be as effective and cheaper.
Both will be under or around 500 GBP, the second possibly around 400...
I wouldn't even care about FX processors at this stage. AMD is not investing a penny into improving them, meaning that their computing performance per core is lagging behind... plus you probably would then want putting some money into heaat dissipation devices, with a final budget close to that of a better Intel system.
In the higher range of your budget bracket, you might be able, provided you find some good discounts, to go for an Intel I5 ( 6500 fi) . Performance-wise a better choice when teamed to a mid-range Nvidia GPU (750i fi) . There, we speak about a marked difference with consoles ( faster graphics @ 1080p vs 720p ) But without discount you will easily be around 750 GBP...
+1 on this. A good PSU , An adequate - even if not oversophisticated MB , and a correct case. The system will be healthier , and last longer.
Now , with a limited budget, I would consider two routes
a) the best possible athlon x4 processor 860K or in the near future 870K( an A10 apu stripped from its graphic core ) with a R9 270X, some serious amount of RAM and good HDD . That's the most cost effective solution
b) the equivalent A10 78xxK APU , that will allow him to save some money as it will rely on its integrated R7 GPU. At a later stage, adding a better discrete card remains an option. But if the intention is to add it from the start, option a) will be as effective and cheaper.
Both will be under or around 500 GBP, the second possibly around 400...
I wouldn't even care about FX processors at this stage. AMD is not investing a penny into improving them, meaning that their computing performance per core is lagging behind... plus you probably would then want putting some money into heaat dissipation devices, with a final budget close to that of a better Intel system.
In the higher range of your budget bracket, you might be able, provided you find some good discounts, to go for an Intel I5 ( 6500 fi) . Performance-wise a better choice when teamed to a mid-range Nvidia GPU (750i fi) . There, we speak about a marked difference with consoles ( faster graphics @ 1080p vs 720p ) But without discount you will easily be around 750 GBP...
+1 on this. A good PSU , An adequate - even if not oversophisticated MB , and a correct case. The system will be healthier , and last longer.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by Phc7006
Gydion
Aexander
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Posted October 23, 2015
fishbaits
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From Ukraine
Posted October 23, 2015
This seems very cheap. Don`t know anything about AMD cpu though, except Intel usually seen as better.
Case Cougar MG100 Micro ATX Gaming Case (Other cases optional)
Power Supply Super Flower 350W 80+ Bronze Rated PSU
CPU AMD A8-7670K 3.6GHz (3.9Ghz) Quad Core APU (Upgrades Optional)
Motherboard Gigabyte A68HM-HD2 (Socket FM2+) Micro ATX Motherboard
Cooler Akasa AK-876 CPU Cooler
Memory Up to 16GB DDR3 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit
Primary Hard Drive Your Choice of Samsung 850 Evo Solid State or Seagate Hard Drive
Secondary Hard Drive Your Choice Seagate Hard Drive
Graphics AMD Onboard HD Graphics
Audio 7.1 High Definition Audio
Optical Drive Optional
Wireless Networking Optional
Operating System Windows 10 64 Bit Pre-Installed.
I`d deffo upgrade the PSU & add a gfx card too though.
Also it`s a micro case, get larger, makes life easier.
Case Cougar MG100 Micro ATX Gaming Case (Other cases optional)
Power Supply Super Flower 350W 80+ Bronze Rated PSU
CPU AMD A8-7670K 3.6GHz (3.9Ghz) Quad Core APU (Upgrades Optional)
Motherboard Gigabyte A68HM-HD2 (Socket FM2+) Micro ATX Motherboard
Cooler Akasa AK-876 CPU Cooler
Memory Up to 16GB DDR3 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit
Primary Hard Drive Your Choice of Samsung 850 Evo Solid State or Seagate Hard Drive
Secondary Hard Drive Your Choice Seagate Hard Drive
Graphics AMD Onboard HD Graphics
Audio 7.1 High Definition Audio
Optical Drive Optional
Wireless Networking Optional
Operating System Windows 10 64 Bit Pre-Installed.
I`d deffo upgrade the PSU & add a gfx card too though.
Also it`s a micro case, get larger, makes life easier.
timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
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From Finland
Posted October 23, 2015
Sachys: no real requirements, though I think they're looking at using a good quality TV as opposed to a monitor (at least to begin with)
A wireless mouse, keyboard and possibly also a gamepad, then? Unless they intend to either sit next to the TV, or bring the PC close to them with a long HDMI cable. I've been wondering, are there good "wireless HDMI" (video+audio) solutions out, especially with low latency? That's the only cable going between the TV and my laptop anyway. I usually keep the laptop near the TV, and control the laptop with a wireless mouse and keyboard.
For PC gaming using a HDTV is great, but for normal desktop use (browsing the net, writing messages to GOG etc.) maybe less so, unless they have a very big TV, or sit close to it (in which case HEV light with destroy their eyes, unless they buy amber HEV-fiitering glasses :)).
rtcvb32
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From United States
Posted October 23, 2015
Straight up i'd say any modern CPU (1Ghz or faster) and a halfway decent graphics card, and you can do really good emulation for 8 & 16 bit machines, basically NES through Playstation/Dreamcast.
Of course that's not modern gaming and won't include games like COD or most GoG games and the like... But the sheer number of games (if you get ahold of them somehow) seems like a great value in time/games vs money.
Of course that's not modern gaming and won't include games like COD or most GoG games and the like... But the sheer number of games (if you get ahold of them somehow) seems like a great value in time/games vs money.
Phc7006
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From Belgium
Posted October 23, 2015
fishbaits: Case Cougar MG100 Micro ATX Gaming Case (Other cases optional)
Power Supply Super Flower 350W 80+ Bronze Rated PSU
CPU AMD A8-7670K 3.6GHz (3.9Ghz) Quad Core APU (Upgrades Optional)
Motherboard Gigabyte A68HM-HD2 (Socket FM2+) Micro ATX Motherboard
I`d deffo upgrade the PSU & add a gfx card too though.
Also it`s a micro case, get larger, makes life easier.
I wouldn't go for such a small case, and I would avoid that motherboard. Sure it's cheap, but there is a reason for that. A10 APUs are better than A8, especially if intending to rely on the integrated graphics, and the price difference isn't that big. Like I said above if intending to add a discrete GPU, then the Athlon X4 8xxK are much better value for money.Power Supply Super Flower 350W 80+ Bronze Rated PSU
CPU AMD A8-7670K 3.6GHz (3.9Ghz) Quad Core APU (Upgrades Optional)
Motherboard Gigabyte A68HM-HD2 (Socket FM2+) Micro ATX Motherboard
I`d deffo upgrade the PSU & add a gfx card too though.
Also it`s a micro case, get larger, makes life easier.
ET3D
Always a noob
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Posted October 26, 2015
Did you decide on anything, Sachys?
I went to the PC Specialist site, chose 'configure a desktop' (that's where the link leads) and 'Intel based systems'. I configured a PC with a Core i5-6400, 8GB RAM, GeForce 950, 2TB HD, Corsair 450W PSU and the rest as defaults. Ended up £595. With a Core i5-6500 (which has a significantly higher clock than the 6400) it's £602. So far it's the best spec I could find for a pre-built PC.
I went to the PC Specialist site, chose 'configure a desktop' (that's where the link leads) and 'Intel based systems'. I configured a PC with a Core i5-6400, 8GB RAM, GeForce 950, 2TB HD, Corsair 450W PSU and the rest as defaults. Ended up £595. With a Core i5-6500 (which has a significantly higher clock than the 6400) it's £602. So far it's the best spec I could find for a pre-built PC.
Sachys
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar!
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From United Kingdom
Posted October 26, 2015
ET3D: Did you decide on anything, Sachys?
I went to the PC Specialist site, chose 'configure a desktop' (that's where the link leads) and 'Intel based systems'. I configured a PC with a Core i5-6400, 8GB RAM, GeForce 950, 2TB HD, Corsair 450W PSU and the rest as defaults. Ended up £595. With a Core i5-6500 (which has a significantly higher clock than the 6400) it's £602. So far it's the best spec I could find for a pre-built PC.
Well, its not me that gets to decide. I went to the PC Specialist site, chose 'configure a desktop' (that's where the link leads) and 'Intel based systems'. I configured a PC with a Core i5-6400, 8GB RAM, GeForce 950, 2TB HD, Corsair 450W PSU and the rest as defaults. Ended up £595. With a Core i5-6500 (which has a significantly higher clock than the 6400) it's £602. So far it's the best spec I could find for a pre-built PC.
Thats not bad though - presume it will be fully guaranteed etc as well.
ET3D
Always a noob
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Sachys
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar!
Sachys Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Dec 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted October 28, 2015
Well, you've all given me plenty to chew over and relate to the Yogmeister. I didn't expect a definitive answer, but I think yours
...is the best all-round advice from my point of view. Thanks everyone will let you know what happens down the road - or return with more specific know-how needed.
...is the best all-round advice from my point of view. Thanks everyone will let you know what happens down the road - or return with more specific know-how needed.