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clarry: Then I'm guessing it's something like Celeron M 430-450 which were introduced in 2006?

For such an old game, single thread performance is significant.
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scientiae: Tell me about it. :)

Neat, so it's about 400 times faster.
(2192/631 - 1) * 100 ~= 247% faster in single threaded workloads.
(16967/455 - 1) * 100 ~= 3629% faster in multi threaded workloads.
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clarry: (2192/631 - 1) * 100 ~= 247% faster in single threaded workloads.
(16967/455 - 1) * 100 ~= 3629% faster in multi threaded workloads.
Thanks, I rounded the 3629% down to 40000% (!)
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scientiae: How's the performance of current AMD models with cpu-intensive games like Civilization IV ?

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Somewhat inferior to Intel's top lines, but also much cheaper. About $320 for a Ryzen 2700X, and $890 for a i7-7820x. This doesn't include the price of motherboards, nor account for upgrading down the line. For an older game like Civ 4, Intel would be better: Games not built for multi-core CPUs require a single but powerful core, the latter which Intel tended to excel at.

The upcoming Zen 2 will be using a smaller node process, which should negate the performance advantage that Intel had to this point. Intel used to have a huge lead on that, but their efforts have stagnated to the point that AMD could now catch Intel.
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misteryo: As long as you're getting the most expensive shit available, why not walk into your local Best Buy and just throw a wad of cash at the help desk and tell them to give you the best gaming rig they have?
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Star_Ocean: Pre-made computers have a significant markup. Besides, stores like Best Buy don't have the latest and greatest components even in their most expensive builds.
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misteryo: If you don't know enough to pick a case, you shouldn't be building your own rig. If you don't know enough to pick a power supply, you shouldn't be spending thousands of dollars on expensive tech that you don't know how to put together.
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Star_Ocean: It's my understanding that putting together a rig nowadays is largely a plug-and-play affair. I just need a bit of advice on how to finish it out.
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misteryo: We're all very impressed with your spending power. Now go away.
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Star_Ocean: There's no need to be that way. Up to now I've been using an off-the-shelf PC I got back in 2009. An upgrade has been long in the making and I've been saving up for years.
The fact you haven't upgraded since 2009 and now you're stating you have saved up long and heard makes it all the more bizarre or trolling that you'd come up with some an extravagent system. Because unless you've come into a lottery run, you're wasting loads of hard earned money on massive overkill of components.

It also kind of is plug and play but there's lots that can wrong for a newbie. If any of your components are incompatible you have a problem. So getting the 2080TI is a bad idea right now unless you have a system up running because they currently have reliability issues.

But tbh you're probably trolling, so congrats on getting bites
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supplementscene: But tbh you're probably trolling, so congrats on getting bites
I very much doubt this is trolling. It's just that from an external perspective, it's easy to see this in an "optimal" way, and thus conclude that nobody would go for the build suggested. For the OP this is a big event, they haven't done this for 9 years, and are really looking forward to it.

This isn't someone posting a diamond encrusted steriod injecting cockring, I really don't think there was any e-peen in this. I think there's certainly some advice that the OP could benefit from (which has been asked for), but really it's just an indication that they aren't thinking this through, and are trying to ensure they get a long term build by just throwing money at it. This is a (near) once in a decade event for them, so I think we can afford to give them the benefit of the doubt for their intentions.

I did a similar thing about 6 years ago. Bought a massive processor for £1K, overall spent £5K on the rig. It was wasteful, but the result has lasted me for the next 6 years apart from a graphics card upgrade last year. It was indulgent, and I totally screwed it up, buying a case with 120mm top fans and trying to fit 140mm water cooling fans (it still to this day hangs down suspended by 4 screws out of 8). I even just placed the order wrong and bought the wrong motherboard in the first place. However it wasn't a "hey look at me", it was a "I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I'm just buying the most expensive thing on the basis that it's probably at least near the best". I probaby could have got a better or at least similar rig for half the price, but I didn't, and I don't know how that would have turned out (it's easy to "what if" after things have been done).
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Star_Ocean: Pre-made computers have a significant markup. Besides, stores like Best Buy don't have the latest and greatest components even in their most expensive builds.

It's my understanding that putting together a rig nowadays is largely a plug-and-play affair. I just need a bit of advice on how to finish it out.

There's no need to be that way. Up to now I've been using an off-the-shelf PC I got back in 2009. An upgrade has been long in the making and I've been saving up for years.
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supplementscene: The fact you haven't upgraded since 2009 and now you're stating you have saved up long and heard makes it all the more bizarre or trolling that you'd come up with some an extravagent system. Because unless you've come into a lottery run, you're wasting loads of hard earned money on massive overkill of components.

It also kind of is plug and play but there's lots that can wrong for a newbie. If any of your components are incompatible you have a problem. So getting the 2080TI is a bad idea right now unless you have a system up running because they currently have reliability issues.

But tbh you're probably trolling, so congrats on getting bites
Overkill components are called long-term investments in this industry. If i buy a rig to play the games i have now, in a year it won't do me any good. Buy the top of the line now, it'll last me for 10 years, even if it is a bit overkill for right now.

That said, the way the industry is working right now that's a totally bad strategy, but the average person doesn't understand how parts are made to break down these days and things like that. If you truly care, try throwing that into your explanation, as well, 'cause it sounds to me like this user only wants to get a new computer (and/or upgades) once ever 10 years, which is respectable given how things like these are priced, top of the line components or not. This is also why such people buy the pre-built Dells and such ,which we also criticize, but then we expected them to see the cost advantages of our methods when they couldn't see the cost advantage of building their own computers over buying pre-built. Well, we've convinced them before, now to convince them again.

But, then again, the elitism also most likely comes from a user that thinks "Turbo unlocked" or something is some fancy new technology and not rebranding of the same technology that arduinos use to save power ("magic overclocking as needed" is more or less setting the clock to normal while the "normal" speed is the power saver tech). Don't forget the amps.
Post edited November 25, 2018 by kohlrak
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supplementscene: But tbh you're probably trolling, so congrats on getting bites
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wpegg: I very much doubt this is trolling. It's just that from an external perspective, it's easy to see this in an "optimal" way, and thus conclude that nobody would go for the build suggested. For the OP this is a big event, they haven't done this for 9 years, and are really looking forward to it.

This isn't someone posting a diamond encrusted steriod injecting cockring, I really don't think there was any e-peen in this. I think there's certainly some advice that the OP could benefit from (which has been asked for), but really it's just an indication that they aren't thinking this through, and are trying to ensure they get a long term build by just throwing money at it. This is a (near) once in a decade event for them, so I think we can afford to give them the benefit of the doubt for their intentions.

I did a similar thing about 6 years ago. Bought a massive processor for £1K, overall spent £5K on the rig. It was wasteful, but the result has lasted me for the next 6 years apart from a graphics card upgrade last year. It was indulgent, and I totally screwed it up, buying a case with 120mm top fans and trying to fit 140mm water cooling fans (it still to this day hangs down suspended by 4 screws out of 8). I even just placed the order wrong and bought the wrong motherboard in the first place. However it wasn't a "hey look at me", it was a "I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I'm just buying the most expensive thing on the basis that it's probably at least near the best". I probaby could have got a better or at least similar rig for half the price, but I didn't, and I don't know how that would have turned out (it's easy to "what if" after things have been done).
OK. You are probably right. I am wrong and I yelled at this poor guy. He just wanted some help. I could have helped him without being mean.
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Star_Ocean: snip
I am sorry for being a jerk. I should not have been mean to you. I should not have assumed that you were trolling. I should have given you information and helped you with your build.

I am sorry. Please forgive me.
Post edited November 26, 2018 by misteryo
Not much missing...
I'd just add another HD for secondary backups, or preferably get another one in an external case or NAS so it doesn't get fried with the others if there ever is a power surge or something (assuming they aren't connected then...)
I'd also go for a 1000W power supply, not technically needed, but some headroom is preferable I think.

Also, still needs an appropriate chair of course ;)
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What about an uninterruptible power supply? Not just for black outs, but for clean power, too? There are an awful lot of brown-outs, and more are coming with the current headlong rush into renewable energy generation (hence limiting the dispatchable power generation and its business model, heralding more —unscheduled— power outages).

I know a good PSU will smooth minor power fluctuations, but I've been enamoured with the idea of a UPS even since I first encountered them. (Heck, my old gaming laptop has a battery with zero capacity, so if I even disconnect the 240v it shuts down in seconds; yet I like to think it is at least smoothing the power supply. A little. /dream )
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scientiae: What about an uninterruptible power supply? Not just for black outs, but for clean power, too? There are an awful lot of brown-outs, and more are coming with the current headlong rush into renewable energy generation (hence limiting the dispatchable power generation and its business model, heralding more —unscheduled— power outages).

I know a good PSU will smooth minor power fluctuations, but I've been enamoured with the idea of a UPS even since I first encountered them. (Heck, my old gaming laptop has a battery with zero capacity, so if I even disconnect the 240v it shuts down in seconds; yet I like to think it is at least smoothing the power supply. A little. /dream )
While a UPS is definitely a piece of gear that I recommend, I must also say this: They have a limited lifespan. Be sure to replace every four or so years, otherwise you will get dunked on.
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Sabin_Stargem: While a UPS is definitely a piece of gear that I recommend, I must also say this: They have a limited lifespan. Be sure to replace every four or so years, otherwise you will get dunked on.
Thank you for replying. :)
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Star_Ocean: Components already acquired:

CPU:

Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0 GHz Turbo Unlocked LGA1151 300 Series 95W
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B005404P9I/

Motherboard:

MSI MEG Z390 GODLIKE LGA1151 M.2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 DDR4 Wi-Fi SLI CFX Extended ATX Z390 Gaming Motherboard
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MEG-Z390-GODLIKE-Motherboard/dp/B07HMGVR8D/

GPU:

PNY GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Edition Graphics Card
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Overclocked-Graphics/dp/B07GJ7TV8L/

Memory:

Corsair Vengeance RGB 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3733MHz C17 Desktop Memory - Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J2GCN6/

Storage:

Samsung 970 EVO 2TB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD (MZ-V7E2T0BW)
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-2TB-MZ-V7E2T0BW/dp/B07C8Y31G1/

WD Red Pro 10TB NAS Hard Drive - 7200 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, 256 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD101KFBX
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Pro-10TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B072F422FW/

What would you recommend to complete the package?
Here is one route you could take.

When I was new at building a PC, I used that site a lot to try out different combinations. Been using it ever since.
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Star_Ocean: Components already acquired:

CPU:

Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0 GHz Turbo Unlocked LGA1151 300 Series 95W
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B005404P9I/

Motherboard:

MSI MEG Z390 GODLIKE LGA1151 M.2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 DDR4 Wi-Fi SLI CFX Extended ATX Z390 Gaming Motherboard
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MEG-Z390-GODLIKE-Motherboard/dp/B07HMGVR8D/

GPU:

PNY GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Edition Graphics Card
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Overclocked-Graphics/dp/B07GJ7TV8L/

Memory:

Corsair Vengeance RGB 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3733MHz C17 Desktop Memory - Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J2GCN6/

Storage:

Samsung 970 EVO 2TB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD (MZ-V7E2T0BW)
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-2TB-MZ-V7E2T0BW/dp/B07C8Y31G1/

WD Red Pro 10TB NAS Hard Drive - 7200 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, 256 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD101KFBX
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Pro-10TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B072F422FW/

What would you recommend to complete the package?
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vidsgame: Here is one route you could take.

When I was new at building a PC, I used that site a lot to try out different combinations. Been using it ever since.
Maybe a bit overkill Motherboard? $591 is too much and it is even more expensive than the CPU.
Everything is pretty much top of the line.

The only thing I'd check is whether the RAM timings are decently low.

And you should also definitely get a monitor that is capable of utilizing all that power. So 2K @165Hz at least or go all out and get a 4K @165 Hz. G-sync is also pretty much a must have.
Post edited November 26, 2018 by idbeholdME
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vidsgame: Here is one route you could take.

When I was new at building a PC, I used that site a lot to try out different combinations. Been using it ever since.
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Not_you: Maybe a bit overkill Motherboard? $591 is too much and it is even more expensive than the CPU.
I just put in the motherboard the original poster specified. I'd never go with this sort of build personally but those are the proper parts for that kind of build and they go together without issue.

It's up to him or her whether they want to change things. Pcpartpicker lets you edit the list and they are more than welcome to change anything. That's just an example build.