Wish you were in the EU - because Oracle corp tried to go with your argument, and was proven wrong by the EU commercial court!

A German business upgraded their Oracle licenses, while sellign to a third party the older version. Oracle Corporation took them to court, for EU commercial court to rule that SW is actually owned.

So yeah, us gamers or Oracle licence owners - in Europe, we own our SW.


I love that ruling, actually, because it is just.

Costa, I am a bit surprised :O
You are normally quite a supporter of customer rights, right? ;)
But here you do sound a bit hmmm snippy? Despite certain flaws in grammar or whatever doesn't she have a valid point?

Plus (playing devils advocate here ;) ) what if those pens are not longer working when she dies?
Okay, I admit it can be used the other way round as well, who knows if GOG will be still there ;)

Here, btw - lest love of Europe be taken for lack of source criticality:

serch engine: european court of justice vs oracle

http://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-cannot-block-the-resale-of-its-software-in-


To summarize: within EU at least, we own our fairly paid SW. And ECJ - :heart: really!


And for haters of consumer rights: in Europe balance of power is not automatically ignored. If my brother was about to die, anyone having his salvation could demend everything from me.

Only: "the good samaritan law" - and that principle. Might does not always make right. I like!



Edit. Financial Times link is accesible on serch, but not as posted link. But ECJ vs Oracle is glorious enough. :-D

Fuck, I guess we need to change that prayer.

"...and if I die before I wake, I pray my games for [insert name] to take."

Fun fact: Finland has never won the Tamworth Country Music Festival.

BTW, here's my favourite Eurovision contestant ever, with Epic Sax Guy: Then bequeath them to your benefactors on your demise, problem solved.

BTW, just because Oracle supposedly lost a case doesn't mean it applies to every other agreement.

Her point here was the same point of every single other thread she has ever made: "Look how great, and smart, and enlightened I am, bask in my glory and agree with me. If you try to disagree, or even have an actual discussion, I will passive-agressively dismiss you and insinuate you are evil, ranging from a troglodyte all the way to a rapist, depending on the occasion".

This thread was nothing but a glorified self-aggrandizing blog post where she gets to lecture all of us. Has she actually done anything to try and have this feature implemented? Has she contacted support asking for their stance on it? Has she even created a wishlist entry so users can vote for it?

Here, allow me: Allow a user to legally transfer their account to a next of kin upon death. With one action I did more to have this become a reality than she did in five pages, please go ahead and vote.

Not that it matters, it won't happen either way. For an account to be given in a will you must prove the owner's death, and for that to happen it must be legally bound to an identifiable individual. All GOG has of you is an email address and a password, and anyone can claim that "frecklefart16 has died and this is totally their death certificate, can I have their account now please?". To avoid abuse they'll need your personal information, name, age, ID, etc. so that it can be legally proven that the account is yours and that you are indeed deceased. That would violate GOG's entire ethos of not gathering and hording user's information. So it's not just a matter of "this would be really cool to have, they should do it", it's a matter of going back on one of their core principles.

Is that directed at me? If so, have the guts to quote me and say it to my face.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d1ff4369-afcc-4879-97fa-7a8afd8b3380

As someone whom has used airlines both in Europe and in the US, and knowing the difference, I just want to also bring up this take on the Oracle ruling, and especailly the heading:

"EU highest court says software licence terms can be ignored"


Our boy Meyer would prefer the EU consumer protection when he is our guest, for the simple fact that EU consumer court assumes that the balance of power is not equal between a corporation, and an individual that is the consumer.


A landlord might require his tenant to blow his/her brains out with a gun to win a tenancy because it means lesser wear and tear on the capital asset - the point of ECJ ruling is telling that is unjust, and just telling from a position of power does not constitue legitimate transaction.

Like ignoring the fact of gamers having heirs does not eliminate this being so.

Go easy with her, she is still in mourning.

Someone dropped a house on her sister.

You have my vote already as well ;)
Do GOG need your information? No, as you as the heir would need to prove everything. As with everything, it starts with a death certificate, the will itself and a legal document stating that e-mail xyz belongs to user abc, which can be done i.e. via credit card details. Unless you used an email which IS tied to a real person. Some email providers ONLY serve with valid data (at least in Germany). So, yes it can be done. In Germany their is even a system in place allowing it to be used for age verification and as you might know Germany is really strict about it ;)

But even as I voted, her point was (me thinks and there she has my backup) to bring it to the attention that it is a RIGHT (at least in Europe) and not a wish, dream or similar. Yes her wording is not always good, but does it make THIS point of her wrong?
Yes, she could have (IMHO) worded a few things better, but I do have a feeling, that in THIS case the messenger is being shot because just because ;)
And from what I read from you, you normally seem not be the guy for it ;)
And IIRC she as well as me pointed out that this whole mess is (as usual) not being handled properly by our so called representatives. Instead of really caring about US, they leave it to judges and similar to decide upon our wishes, so shall we be not more shouting at our politicians? (As if their are not already enough reasons to do so ;) )
Sorry for the kind of derail ;)

Back to the GOG, AFAIK as with every will/testament it will include some legal stuff, going to court to get documents signed, but once this is done and a letter from court has been send it shall be clear, or? (talking about Germany don't know the proceedings in other countries). At least here it kind of always involves courts to get certain possessions reassigned. So does not sound so different. And about the wishlist, what was at least my point, it is not so much about seeing this as a wish, like get game DEF, but rather showing that it is a RIGHT and not a wish.
Okay, it might have to do with the fact that Europe has a higher standard for consumer protecting then other countries (not for all), so we DO expect more as GOG is based in Europe. I hate do to it, but I have no idea were legally steam is based for stuff like that. So GOG is in Europe, European laws apply. A lot of people are not aware of their rights hence it doesn't hurt to raise the awareness, or? (again, wording ;) )
The funny thing is that this ruling and GOGs EULA would even include non-US customers to the same rights, shall you not feel better about it? (at least to my understanding, as US citizens have to file in the US and the rest the same as Europeans in Cyprus).
Now if you did bind your (GOG)account to a ID-based email account, you can easily inherit it (not that I wish it upon you ;) ).
Sorry for the lengthy reply ;)
misteryo you really made me chuckle. Why are then so many games being brought back from the dead and being reworked? ;)

Ran out of creativity and greedy.

hm, mistype? ;)
Greed and running out of creativity I could understand ;)
but running out of greed :O

I think it is not directed at you, unless I said so. Likeable or not, I fancy myself source critical.

Which does not mean I would not be a litttle bit playful, so I say to your face: I love EU, and ECJ ruling to force Oracle own up to what it sold! :heart: EU & ECJ,

And no console corruption import fees for consoles either, in EU. But you tell if this is misdirected, pray.

I still can't get over the thread title. :P

Maybe this will help?