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Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: Always be weary of those who want to tell you what is acceptable or not. They are usually the ones who are a bit unstable.
Fortunately now games have gone digital, those mass burnings are getting harder and harder to organize.
Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: Always be weary of those who want to tell you what is acceptable or not. They are usually the ones who are a bit unstable.
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markrichardb: Fortunately now games have gone digital, those mass burnings are getting harder and harder to organize.
Burn ALL the hard drives!
Posted October 17, 2014
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markrichardb: Fortunately now games have gone digital, those mass burnings are getting harder and harder to organize.
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CthuluIsSpy: Burn ALL the hard drives!
Burn all the PCs!
Posted October 17, 2014
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CthuluIsSpy: Burn ALL the hard drives!
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Grargar: Burn all the PCs!
Burn ALL the tech! Luddism 4 lyfe!
Posted October 17, 2014
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Kunovski: also (and I'm sorry if this is a total bullshit), I've read somewhere that the makers are polish nazis...
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KasperHviid: Thanks for the tip, but I don't think rumors should be thrown around, without linking to the original source. But I did a quick google and found this:

"Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis

It looks like the rumor has a solid foundation. Follow the link and judge for yourself.

Hatred is a genocide sim, inspired by various school shootings and similar incidents in the US. This is of course worth debating from various perspectives.

But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
That tumblr page annoys me. The writer of this tumblr page claims the game is racist. "In fact, the opposite is true - it’s a game about glorifying violent racism and white supremacy. Consider the game’s trailer, which conspicuously lingers on the white protagonist brutally murdering and mutilating people of color." But if you watch the trailer, you will see the main character kills people of different races(including white). So it seems the writer of that blog just wants to see the game burn... and will say anything to see to it. The game is no more racist than Call Of Duty Black Ops II...
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
Yuck.

You guys can play what you want, but personally I find this to be disgusting. I'm fine with disturbing, amoral violence, but only if there's a justifiable reason for it and/or it's handled with appropriate gravitas. The idea of playing a serious game that casts me as a homicidal maniac for no reason other than "lol offensive" is abhorrent to me.
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Atlantico: -- well, to be fair, that's what people claimed Hotline Miami was: both pure entertainment and thought-provoking. Not that I agree, I though Hotline Miami was a mediocre game which provoked no thoughts what-so-ever, except "whoa that's pretentious".
Glad I'm not the only one.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by jefequeso
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: Thanks for the tip, but I don't think rumors should be thrown around, without linking to the original source. But I did a quick google and found this:

"Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis

It looks like the rumor has a solid foundation. Follow the link and judge for yourself.

Hatred is a genocide sim, inspired by various school shootings and similar incidents in the US. This is of course worth debating from various perspectives.

But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
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monkeydelarge: That tumblr page annoys me. The writer of this tumblr page claims the game is racist. "In fact, the opposite is true - it’s a game about glorifying violent racism and white supremacy. Consider the game’s trailer, which conspicuously lingers on the white protagonist brutally murdering and mutilating people of color." But if you watch the trailer, you will see the main character kills people of different races(including white). So it seems the writer of that blog just wants to see the game burn... and will say anything to see to it. The game is no more racist than Call Of Duty Black Ops II...
Yeah, the protagonist isn't racist; he's violently misanthropic. He referred to the human race as maggots, and wants to kill himself after slaughtering everyone.
He kills everyone, not just women and people of color. His genocidal crusade is against humanity itself.
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jefequeso: Yuck.

You guys can play what you want, but personally I find this to be disgusting. I'm fine with disturbing, amoral violence, but only if there's a justifiable reason for it and/or it's handled with appropriate gravitas. The idea of playing a serious game that casts me as a homicidal maniac for no reason other than "lol offensive" is abhorrent to me.
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Atlantico: -- well, to be fair, that's what people claimed Hotline Miami was: both pure entertainment and thought-provoking. Not that I agree, I though Hotline Miami was a mediocre game which provoked no thoughts what-so-ever, except "whoa that's pretentious".
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jefequeso: Glad I'm not the only one.
Actually, I consider the message to be more on the nature of hatred and how horrific it can be than "murder iz fun"
Post edited October 17, 2014 by CthuluIsSpy
Posted October 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: That tumblr page annoys me. The writer of this tumblr page claims the game is racist. "In fact, the opposite is true - it’s a game about glorifying violent racism and white supremacy. Consider the game’s trailer, which conspicuously lingers on the white protagonist brutally murdering and mutilating people of color." But if you watch the trailer, you will see the main character kills people of different races(including white). So it seems the writer of that blog just wants to see the game burn... and will say anything to see to it. The game is no more racist than Call Of Duty Black Ops II...
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, the protagonist isn't racist; he's violently misanthropic. He referred to the human race as maggots, and wants to kill himself after slaughtering everyone.
He kills everyone, not just women and people of color. His genocidal crusade is against humanity itself.
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jefequeso: Yuck.

You guys can play what you want, but personally I find this to be disgusting. I'm fine with disturbing, amoral violence, but only if there's a justifiable reason for it and/or it's handled with appropriate gravitas. The idea of playing a serious game that casts me as a homicidal maniac for no reason other than "lol offensive" is abhorrent to me.

Glad I'm not the only one.
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CthuluIsSpy: Actually, I consider the message to be more on the nature of hatred and how horrific it can be than "murder iz fun"
If that ends up being the direction it takes, I feel a little more comfortable with it. Still probably won't be playing it, though.
Posted October 17, 2014
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Just watched the trailer.

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Don't feel so good now. Feeling the urge to go cuddle some puppies. Going to call my mother and tell her I love her.
Posted October 17, 2014
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Kunovski: also (and I'm sorry if this is a total bullshit), I've read somewhere that the makers are polish nazis...
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KasperHviid: Thanks for the tip, but I don't think rumors should be thrown around, without linking to the original source. But I did a quick google and found this:

"Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis

It looks like the rumor has a solid foundation. Follow the link and judge for yourself.

Hatred is a genocide sim, inspired by various school shootings and similar incidents in the US. This is of course worth debating from various perspectives.

But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
I don't trust that writer as far as I can throw him. I've seen other stuff he's posted.
Posted October 17, 2014
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, the protagonist isn't racist; he's violently misanthropic. He referred to the human race as maggots, and wants to kill himself after slaughtering everyone.
He kills everyone, not just women and people of color. His genocidal crusade is against humanity itself.

Actually, I consider the message to be more on the nature of hatred and how horrific it can be than "murder iz fun"
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jefequeso: If that ends up being the direction it takes, I feel a little more comfortable with it. Still probably won't be playing it, though.
Yeah, I understand. I can't stomach killing civilians who are pleading for their lives either.
Posted October 17, 2014
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jefequeso: If that ends up being the direction it takes, I feel a little more comfortable with it. Still probably won't be playing it, though.
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, I understand. I can't stomach killing civilians who are pleading for their lives either.
They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen... The death you see in the game is really no different than what you can see here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437Ld_rKM2s
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: Thanks for the tip, but I don't think rumors should be thrown around, without linking to the original source. But I did a quick google and found this:

"Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis

It looks like the rumor has a solid foundation. Follow the link and judge for yourself.

Hatred is a genocide sim, inspired by various school shootings and similar incidents in the US. This is of course worth debating from various perspectives.

But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
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realkman666: What is the solid foundation?
One of the members are seen sporting a t-shirt depicting a historical anti-communist military group (Zolnierze wykleci, historically associated with the Freikorps) that is lionised by right wing extremists.

CEO and Animator Jaroslaw Zielinski is a supporter of the anti-muslim hate group Polska Liga Obrony (Polish Defence League). Also, his Facebook page features an image of skulls originating from real-life genocide.

In the beginning of the trailer, 2 newspapers are seen in the background, one with the headline "News", and 3 books is shown too, 2 of them lying open. On the table in front of him is 3 newspaper pages, one with the headline "U.S. ATTACKED". It don't look like random placement of 3D props, but more like a clue that the protagonists vengance is a result of following the news carefully and thus gaining a deep understanding of societys problems. Also, the number of black victims in the trailer is quite high.

I mentioned earlier that the developer said that they wanted to make a game that aimed for "just an entertainment" and "pure, gaming pleasure" and which "makes no excuses".

Yet in the same sentence, they says "Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question".

These two claims contradicts each others. When someone contradicts himself completely in the same sentence, he might not be completely honest about his intensions. Also, lets read the last quote again:

"Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question".

This could of course be some bleeding-heart liberal attempt to empatize with mass-murderes, which are humans too, just like you and me. But I doubt that. Rather, I think try to defend the protagonist, since he is being "pushed" by following the news, and that his reaction is what can be expected from "any human being".
Posted October 17, 2014
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, I understand. I can't stomach killing civilians who are pleading for their lives either.
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monkeydelarge: They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen...
Does that keep you from enjoying killing them? No. So why should it keep us from NOT enjoying killing them?
Posted October 17, 2014
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, I understand. I can't stomach killing civilians who are pleading for their lives either.
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monkeydelarge: They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen... The death you see in the game is really no different than what you can see here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437Ld_rKM2s
Well, yes. Still makes me uncomfortable though. I guess I'm used to characters fighting back in games.
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