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If find it really interesting that the civilized, concerned people who are concerned about this game throw phrases like 'primitive' and 'get your head checked' while people supporting this game basically argue that if you don't like it, don't play it.

It seems like such a simple solution and one that doesn't throw accusations at anyone's mental state based purely on personal opinions towards violent video games.

I'll all for this game because mindless carnage is something I would not consider acceptable in public and nor would I ever want to harm anyone another person. I'm comfortable enough with my moral compass and understanding of the rights of others that a violent games isn't going to turn me into a killer.

Does that make me primitive? Possibly, but I'm cultured enough to not attack people in the street or throw insults online...
Post edited December 17, 2014 by drewpants
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drewpants: If find it really interesting that the civilized, concerned people who are concerned about this game throw phrases like 'primitive' and 'get your head checked' while people supporting this game basically argue that if you don't like it, don't play it.

It seems like such a simple solution and one that doesn't throw accusations at anyone's mental state based purely on personal opinions towards violent video games.

I'll all for this game because mindless carnage is something I would not consider acceptable in public and nor would I ever want to harm anyone another person. I'm comfortable enough with my moral compass and understanding of the rights of others that a violent games isn't going to turn me into a killer.

Does that make me primitive? Possibly, but I'm cultured enough to not attack people in the street or throw insults online...
What was so bad about replying to me directly? I'm not talking about morality here. I'm just saying, if someone finds 'kill, kill, kill' in a real world style setting to be entertainment then I say they don't know entertainment if it slapped them across the head. How about you stop making assumptions on what I'm trying to say and maybe validate with me first.
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micktiegs_8: I'm just saying, if someone finds 'kill, kill, kill' in a real world style setting to be entertainment then I say they don't know entertainment if it slapped them across the head. How about you stop making assumptions on what I'm trying to say and maybe validate with me first.
The ironing, it burns.
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micktiegs_8: I'm just saying, if someone finds 'kill, kill, kill' in a real world style setting to be entertainment then I say they don't know entertainment if it slapped them across the head. How about you stop making assumptions on what I'm trying to say and maybe validate with me first.
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realkman666: The ironing, it burns.
enlighten me? It's a known fact that humans have a primal instinct that follows curiosity to what I was talking about. This is not an assumption. I can't be assuming people are entertained by the game either, because they obviously are.

Oh and are you trying to say Irony? if not, phew.
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drewpants:
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micktiegs_8: What was so bad about replying to me directly? I'm not talking about morality here. I'm just saying, if someone finds 'kill, kill, kill' in a real world style setting to be entertainment then I say they don't know entertainment if it slapped them across the head. How about you stop making assumptions on what I'm trying to say and maybe validate with me first.
I wasn't replying to you directly, I was was pointing out a trend, your comments just happened to be usefully placed to use as an example.

Entertainment doesn't have to be funny, clean, happy or safe. Many games, films, works of literature, songs and and thing else you care to mention have content that is uncomfortable, however they allow people to experience feelings and events in a safe environment, which in my opinion enhances our lives by allowing us to explore complex emotions.

If that worries you - just stick with the media that suits you.
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realkman666: The ironing, it burns.
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micktiegs_8: enlighten me? It's a known fact that humans have a primal instinct that follows curiosity to what I was talking about. This is not an assumption. I can't be assuming people are entertained by the game either, because they obviously are.

Oh and are you trying to say Irony? if not, phew.
Do you then assert that primal instincts are inherently wrong?
Post edited December 17, 2014 by drewpants
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XYCat: You see everything the game has to offer in like five minutes since there's no other content than the violence for the sake of violence content. With no plot or jokes there's no reason to spend time watching the same execution animations and listening to the same screams over and over. Unless you're a psychopath.
The Jack Thompsons and Jonathan McIntoshs of this world would all nod in unison. You could apply the exact same line of reasoning to the original Doom.

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XYCat: Even the most gruesome exploitation movies have some kind of plot or jokes.
Whatever plot the original Guinea Pig has, it's quite little. I'd argue that Hatred is going to have more plot than that film.


Keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate for a game that I have close to zero interest in. The 2edgy4u posturing is just a tad too blatant. I just don't get the upset over pixels.
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micktiegs_8: What was so bad about replying to me directly? I'm not talking about morality here. I'm just saying, if someone finds 'kill, kill, kill' in a real world style setting to be entertainment then I say they don't know entertainment if it slapped them across the head. How about you stop making assumptions on what I'm trying to say and maybe validate with me first.
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drewpants: Entertainment doesn't have to be funny, clean, happy or safe. Many games, films, works of literature, songs and and thing else you care to mention have content that is uncomfortable, however they allow people to experience feelings and events in a safe environment, which in my opinion enhances our lives by allowing us to explore complex emotions.

If that worries you - just stick with the media that suits you.

Do you then assert that primal instincts are inherently wrong?
No, I don't. I'm saying as a game, it's not entertaining. I'm not bothered by it. I'd rather watch movies that do the same thing. Read the earlier post, it's not the content that bothers me, it's the fun factor or lack thereof. Other mediums are better suited for it. That's all, I can't say it any clearer.
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micktiegs_8: I'm saying as a game, it's not entertaining.
I admit that this is very clear. Now I know.
And once again, it shows gamer people (Americans in general) are more prone to accept violence rather than erotism. Would Gabe give Seduce Me a second chance?
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drewpants: Entertainment doesn't have to be funny, clean, happy or safe. Many games, films, works of literature, songs and and thing else you care to mention have content that is uncomfortable, however they allow people to experience feelings and events in a safe environment, which in my opinion enhances our lives by allowing us to explore complex emotions.

If that worries you - just stick with the media that suits you.

Do you then assert that primal instincts are inherently wrong?
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micktiegs_8: No, I don't. I'm saying as a game, it's not entertaining. I'm not bothered by it. I'd rather watch movies that do the same thing. Read the earlier post, it's not the content that bothers me, it's the fun factor or lack thereof. Other mediums are better suited for it. That's all, I can't say it any clearer.
Fair enough, I'll skip over the fact that you explicitly mentioned the game's violent content before moving on to a simple question of mechanics...

As for the way the game is played, that's entirely up to you. Some people like plot, others like simulation while some what action. On what type of game you like to play I really have no opinion.
Post edited December 17, 2014 by drewpants
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XYCat: You see everything the game has to offer in like five minutes since there's no other content than the violence for the sake of violence content. With no plot or jokes there's no reason to spend time watching the same execution animations and listening to the same screams over and over. Unless you're a psychopath.
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fronzelneekburm: The Jack Thompsons and Jonathan McIntoshs of this world would all nod in unison. You could apply the exact same line of reasoning to the original Doom.

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XYCat: Even the most gruesome exploitation movies have some kind of plot or jokes.
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fronzelneekburm: Whatever plot the original Guinea Pig has, it's quite little. I'd argue that Hatred is going to have more plot than that film.

Keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate for a game that I have close to zero interest in. The 2edgy4u posturing is just a tad too blatant. I just don't get the upset over pixels.
You're trying to defeat demons from hell in doom so they don't take over the earth unlike trying to kill civilians for no reason whatsoever. So there is no real comparison.
XYCat: You see everything the game has to offer in like five minutes since there's no other content than the violence for the sake of violence content. With no plot or jokes there's no reason to spend time watching the same execution animations and listening to the same screams over and over. Unless you're a psychopath.

Would that make you a psychopath? That isn't my understanding of the term.
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catpower1980: And once again, it shows gamer people (Americans in general) are more prone to accept violence rather than erotism. Would Gabe give Seduce Me a second chance?
In America, sex is an obsession, in other parts of the world it's a fact. - Marlene Dietrich

It's like they're saying its okay to cut off a boob, you just can't kiss it. - Bruce Campbell
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XYCat: You're trying to defeat demons from hell in doom so they don't take over the earth unlike trying to kill civilians for no reason whatsoever. So there is no real comparison.
Yes there is: It's just pixels!

In a video game, it doesm't matter whether you blast demons from hell or fluffy rabbits or people in a wheelchair. It doesn't make one jolt of difference. It's up to everyone to decide for himself, where they draw their line in the sand. You've drawn yours with this game. I drew mine with modern military shooters, which I consider to be not only asinine, warmongering warporn, but severely lack in actual gameplay as well. But I wouldn't run around calling for a ban of Modern Warfarce and their ilk either. I just shake my head in dismay and move on. I don't think games like this shouldn't be made, I think their audience should have a certain level of maturity to them.
Post edited December 17, 2014 by fronzelneekburm
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Since there are two threads for some reason:
There are so much horrors in real-life, like virgin mass-fist-raping with insemnation; killing all males directly after birth; mutilation by cutting off several parts at a young age, total fixation and little or no movement throughout the whole LIFE; brutal, slow and painful death dictated by religious norms, etc... billions of times on a regular basis.
People here (most likely the OP too) pay for all this to actually happen and continue to happen, it's the egg, meat and milk industry.

This is f***ing real and you are calling a completely virtual thing sick and twisted, that's really ... and I don't know if I should laugh or cry so I just don't take it too seriously.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/hatred_sick_and_twisted_shooter_gets_a_steam_greenlight_campaign/post41

To quote fronzelneekburm:
It's just pixels!

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catpower1980: And once again, it shows gamer people (Americans in general) are more prone to accept violence rather than erotism. Would Gabe give Seduce Me a second chance?
I didn't even know about this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Steam-Greenlight-PC-Gaming-No-Reply-Games-Seduce-Me-Miriam-Bellard,17369.html

Well, when a harmless (and boring) thing like this is banned, all violent games should be banned too (which would make the catalogue quite small). Oh I forgot... hypocrisy.
Post edited December 17, 2014 by Klumpen0815