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monkeydelarge: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other such entities."
Which is de facto censorship, yes. But de facto censorship only works if the retailer refusing to sell the software actually supresses it and thus keeps it from being released. That is simply impossible here, as the game will be available to anyone with an internet connection and the ability to pay online on the dev's site.
Post edited October 30, 2014 by Jonesy89
So a site not selling a game because they don't think it is that good is censorship now?
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monkeydelarge: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other such entities."
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Jonesy89: Which is de facto censorship, yes. But de facto censorship only works if the retailer refusing to sell the software actually supresses it and thus keeps it from being released. That is simply impossible here, as the game will be available to anyone with an internet connection and the ability to pay online on the dev's site.
By your way of thinking, there is no censorship going on in North Korea, Australia and Germany....because in those countries, it is possible to access the internet. Just because there are ways people can get around a store practicing censorship doesn't mean that store is not guilty of practicing censorship. The store is still suppressing something. Just not 100% but is that a part of the definition? No. And even if censorship means the complete suppression of something, that doesn't mean a store not selling a game isn't SUPPORTING censorship. You can support something without practicing it. For example, a lot of straight people support gay marriage.
Post edited October 30, 2014 by monkeydelarge
So, we can censure based on intent ( Hatred), but we can't censor others, based on lazy satire ( GTA)

Perfectly fair.
I don't think you know what censorship means.
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monkeydelarge: By your way of thinking, there is no censorship going on in North Korea, Australia and Germany....because in those countries, it is possible to access the internet. Just because there are ways people can get around a store practicing censorship doesn't mean that store is not guilty of practicing censorship. The store is still suppressing something. Just not 100% but is that a part of the definition? No. And even if censorship means the complete suppression of something, that doesn't mean a store not selling a game isn't SUPPORTING censorship. You can support something without practicing it. For example, a lot of straight people support gay marriage.
No, I'm saying that retailers not carrying a game is not censorship. The moment the government steps in, then that shit is definitely censorship, because even if you have internet access, the material is actually being suppressed because it is being blocked by the government.

Secondly, how exactly is not selling a game supporting censorship? Are you seriously going to try to argue that Barnes and Noble not carrying a book that I want is supporting censorship as well, or is there something I'm missing?

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Garrison72: So, we can censure based on intent ( Hatred), but we can't censor others, based on lazy satire ( GTA)

Perfectly fair.
Yes, we certainly can express severe disapproval at the stated intent behind Hatred. Lord knows I am.
Post edited October 30, 2014 by Jonesy89
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monkeydelarge: By your way of thinking, there is no censorship going on in North Korea, Australia and Germany....because in those countries, it is possible to access the internet. Just because there are ways people can get around a store practicing censorship doesn't mean that store is not guilty of practicing censorship. The store is still suppressing something. Just not 100% but is that a part of the definition? No. And even if censorship means the complete suppression of something, that doesn't mean a store not selling a game isn't SUPPORTING censorship. You can support something without practicing it. For example, a lot of straight people support gay marriage.
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Jonesy89: No, I'm saying that retailers not carrying a game is not censorship. The moment the government steps in, then that shit is definitely censorship, because even if you have internet access, the material is actually being suppressed because it is being blocked by the government.

Secondly, how exactly is not selling a game supporting censorship? Are you seriously going to try to argue that Barnes and Noble not carrying a book that I want is supporting censorship as well, or is there something I'm missing?

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Garrison72: So, we can censure based on intent ( Hatred), but we can't censor others, based on lazy satire ( GTA)

Perfectly fair.
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Jonesy89: Yes, we certainly can express severe disapproval at the stated intent behind Hatred. Lord knows I am.
No, censorship is possible without a government. A media outlet can suppress something. Just not as effectively as a government can. The only difference between the two is the level of suppression, the level of censorship.
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This game looks like fun. Day one buy for me.
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Jonesy89: No, I'm saying that retailers not carrying a game is not censorship. The moment the government steps in, then that shit is definitely censorship, because even if you have internet access, the material is actually being suppressed because it is being blocked by the government.

Secondly, how exactly is not selling a game supporting censorship? Are you seriously going to try to argue that Barnes and Noble not carrying a book that I want is supporting censorship as well, or is there something I'm missing?

Yes, we certainly can express severe disapproval at the stated intent behind Hatred. Lord knows I am.
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monkeydelarge: No, censorship is possible without a government. A media outlet can suppress something. Just not as effectively as a government can. The only difference between the two is the level of suppression, the level of censorship.
Look back at my post about de facto censorship.

tl;dr: censorship comes in two types, but is defined by suppressing the material

de jure: the government intervenes and mandates editing or blocks access to the material

de facto: outlets refuse to provide a work of art for sale; ONLY works if the end result is the content being suppressed. Is not possible where the developer is selling via digital distribution on their own site.
i have no moral issue with such game, if gameplay will be decent [at least for relax purposes] i will buy it .
Post edited November 03, 2014 by DukeNukemCZ
it's just a game, looks kinda boring, while postal was fun (for me at least) because of the dark and silly humor this one is just about killing, so it will turn out to be very very boring in a few min after playing it :(
Some petition is going on against the game:
https://archive.today/vTsdl

I love the threats :)
"The success of your studio and your careers depends on your response to this petition. Change the project content if you have to. Hatred is not welcome here. I am a member of many, many groups on Linkedin including those of AAA studios. On top of that, I'm an editor for two large gaming blogs and you better believe you'll get negative publicity and look like absolute monsters for even thinking up a game concept like this that shows that you are a group of racist, sexist individuals basing your careers on offending people instead of making a worthwhile title. This petition in its entirety from the mission to the amount of supporters will be shown to as many influential parties as I can contact."
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Wow that petition... could be satire!
But what i find completely off is that they say "disgusting studio". The devs are human beings after all who create a COMPUTER GAME and are not child rapists, nasty sadomaso torturers or war criminals... When these people are labeled as disgusting for creating a game what is someone who does realy nasty stuff to people in reality ?
The only thing these idiots do is to destroy meanings of words. When a child rapist is a monster to a healthy society and now game developers are called the same as these real monsters what kind of words do we have to create to not whitewash the crimes of these bastards in real live ?
It´s the same as with the insult of people within gamergate as fascists... well, a real fascist lets call him an agressive german neo-nazi is a big difference to a "gamer".
Post edited November 03, 2014 by NWN_babayaga
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catpower1980: Some petition is going on against the game:
https://archive.today/vTsdl

I love the threats :)
"The success of your studio and your careers depends on your response to this petition. Change the project content if you have to. Hatred is not welcome here. I am a member of many, many groups on Linkedin including those of AAA studios. On top of that, I'm an editor for two large gaming blogs and you better believe you'll get negative publicity and look like absolute monsters for even thinking up a game concept like this that shows that you are a group of racist, sexist individuals basing your careers on offending people instead of making a worthwhile title. This petition in its entirety from the mission to the amount of supporters will be shown to as many influential parties as I can contact."
What an idiot. If you want the game to die, quit publicizing it. Of course for all I know, that petition could be the developers' publicity stunt. I'm not even sure how he gets sexist from the whole thing anyway? They kill women too, so they are sexist? C'mon.

Now back to real violence, Hocus Pocus and shooting lightning bolts from my finger tips!
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Yummlick: This thread is getting more and more ridiculous with every damn post! xD
Agreed. So now a store not selling a game constitutes censorship. Brilliant.
And the game sound like another Postal...where the designers are trying to be as outrageous and over the top as possible, but forget about putting in decent gameplay.