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Crosmando: This is absolutely fucking outrageous and offensive. This woman is a flat out misandrist, she hates men full stop.
It is offensive, though not necessarily offensive against men, as you choose to interpret it, but offensive against people's intelligence, abusing a complex topic for pushing an agenda, regardless of whether it's meant well or not and whether some ideas behind it are worth considering or not. It's such a matter-of-fact statement that it's disgustingly populist and no better than politicians looking for the next scapegoat and making stupid comments to appear competent on issues that don't have solutions anywhere near as easy they'd like to suggest. In fact it's discrediting the very cause she claims to care about.
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JDelekto: Gun control can be like abstinence from sex, if you choose not to own one, you're probably going to go stark raving mad with an ax.
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F4LL0UT: I still am and always will be surprised that in the US people have this attitude. Guns aren't like any other tool suitable as a weapon. It's both technically and psychologically something completely different. And I'm sure that many of the shooters who had no trouble gunning people down still wouldn't have been mentally capable of actually slaughtering others with a melee weapon, not to mention physically. Just pointing at someone and ending his life with the pull of a trigger is NOT the same thing as swinging or thrusting an object into a human body. It can also be confirmed the other way around: many murderers who are the exact opposite of mass shooters, who are perfectly confident, physically strong and where the killing of others is not just an extension of their own suicide (which is what most of these school shootings are), have no interest in using guns and knowingly choose melee weapons or poison etc. because those give them a specific kind of sensation that guns don't.
Did you forget about Jim Jones? Some people use psychology as their weapon of choice --not a mass shooter, but a mass suicide.... and to this day, I don't believe every one of their colony was a willing participant.
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Decatonkeil: It isn't like I (I don't know about Anita) am asking to ban or censor anything. But maybe we both are trying to act non-protective, unlike fanboys who seem to think that "videogames are a way of life, a religion, a nationality, something to protect from outsiders and their scrutiny".
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JDelekto: Now tell us how you really feel. :)

In my humble opinion, games are just a distraction so we don't see the ultimate truth that lies ahead. The minute the light goes out, we'll be eaten by a grue.
How I really feel about what? I feel like I'm a flawed, somewhat biased human being, just like anyone else. I also feel like with such a media like videogames which are usually costly to make, we have become quite used to just seeing one side of the picture on a lot of problems. I am able to enjoy videogames, but I'm also a person with a political conscience. CoD may be a good series, may have good mechanics, but when I see Activision use people like Oliver North as PR to give a monologue on how America is threatened by the whole world, it makes me concerned that that particular cultural product is being sold to children and that we just accept gladly that a Hollywood kind of entertainment making is automatically harmless, exportable... I mean in one of the later instalments the plot goes like "a lot of South American nations form a coalition against the USA". And it's not just american children that are being told this hatemongering propaganda which guards no relation to reality, against these countries. The Hollywood model is exportable, this is being told to everyone. In the rare cases when you have a (japanese made) MGS: Peacewalker, everyone feels uncomfortable and asks: "Why does Kojima hate America?"

But I digressed for the entire paragraph: I don't politically agree with all videogames, they are just cultural expressions like any other. Some I just disagree, some I despise. The first group I'm able to enjoy, I'll cherry pick the parts I like about its message or make my own reading of it.
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Decatonkeil: She CAN be wrong about what causes this violence. But if she honestly believes that there is a correlation between a culture that glamorizes violence and that tells boys or men that solving problems with violence, with a gun is solving problems "like a real man"... then how is it "her agenda" to try and have people "realize this conclusion" she's got to (and I repeat, she may be wrong, but that's how she sees it) if it saves lives. I'd have gun control, I'd have my way in my country, if I thought it was the safe way, the way we got less killings or zero killings. How would that be "an agenda"? There's such a thing like gun manufacturers, people who want guns sold because it's their business. There's such a thing is as fearmongerers, and they aren't necesarilly people who want to cause an alarm about a problem that doesn't exist, but people who want social insecurity to be the state of things so that they can sell you a solution (and guess what, the solution that they sell you is a lot of times a gun, arming yourself, when it's not renouncing to a lot of your rights to privacy, association...). There is not such a thing as a "manufacturer of not-guns" (well, there are lots of manufacturers of things that are not guns XD), so how would wanting more gun control and opinion-makers that don't tell people violence and machismo are the right way to go... translate into an economic gain? Can you call that an agenda?
The problem is her cause is not violence in video games. Her cause is not gun rights. Her cause is exposing misogyny in video games. Why is she commenting on school shootings pretending to be an expert? She's sees misogyny in games where there really isn't, now she's seeing misogyny in school shootings...
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Decatonkeil: But I digressed for the entire paragraph: I don't politically agree with all videogames, they are just cultural expressions like any other. Some I just disagree, some I despise. The first group I'm able to enjoy, I'll cherry pick the parts I like about its message or make my own reading of it.
Sometimes that's what you need to do for your own enjoyment. I tend to think that games are meant to be enjoyed, and they shouldn't be used as a vehicle for advertising or pushing ones' agenda. But if you roll back several years, even Sierra's "King's Quest" was used to push IBM's PCJr.

I have faith in some of these game designers who have some access to artistic talent, whether it be the voice acting, the scene painting, the logical puzzles behind the scenes --they're all a symphony of artists who are able to create something spectacular by pooling those talents.
Anitas thinking is insane, period. Masculinity (our nature btw.) leads to muh soggy knees and that leads to violence or violence leads to blah blah... and because of that she has to destroy masculinity in games. Wow, thats a logic!
I mean, insane may be a bit off but surely it sounds like a thought of a madman to me. To question masculinity... is like you tell the world that our civilisation is an EPIC fail. The man of the earth build it and all the nice things these people use are being made my man. And yet they "hate" it... ?

Twitter = made my man
computers = made by man
television = made by man
money = made my man
buildings = made by man

we can add all the things we have achieved to the list and in the end these people tell you how bad man are! So i think that people like Anita need help and not a computer!
Totaly Off topic but so is Anita imo whenever someone brings her up. She is a political tool thats all!
Post edited October 26, 2014 by NWN_babayaga
That last Tweet by Anita is off the fucking charts offensive, I can't believe her little groupies are giving it a pass. These people are nuts.
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Garrison72: That last Tweet by Anita is off the fucking charts offensive, I can't believe her little groupies are giving it a pass. These people are nuts.
If you cannot show compassion, how can you lead by example?
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Garrison72: That last Tweet by Anita is off the fucking charts offensive, I can't believe her little groupies are giving it a pass. These people are nuts.
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JDelekto: If you cannot show compassion, how can you lead by example?
i have a black heart. Don't expect compassion from me. I'm going to play this game, after all. :P
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JDelekto: If you cannot show compassion, how can you lead by example?
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Garrison72: i have a black heart. Don't expect compassion from me. I'm going to play this game, after all. :P
Now that's what I call "in it to win it".
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Garrison72: That last Tweet by Anita is off the fucking charts offensive, I can't believe her little groupies are giving it a pass. These people are nuts.
Offended people are always wrong.
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realkman666: Offended people are always wrong.
So... everyone is wrong?
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Decatonkeil: She CAN be wrong about what causes this violence. But if she honestly believes that there is a correlation between a culture that glamorizes violence and that tells boys or men that solving problems with violence, with a gun is solving problems "like a real man"... then how is it "her agenda" to try and have people "realize this conclusion" she's got to (and I repeat, she may be wrong, but that's how she sees it) if it saves lives. I'd have gun control, I'd have my way in my country, if I thought it was the safe way, the way we got less killings or zero killings. How would that be "an agenda"? There's such a thing like gun manufacturers, people who want guns sold because it's their business. There's such a thing is as fearmongerers, and they aren't necesarilly people who want to cause an alarm about a problem that doesn't exist, but people who want social insecurity to be the state of things so that they can sell you a solution (and guess what, the solution that they sell you is a lot of times a gun, arming yourself, when it's not renouncing to a lot of your rights to privacy, association...). There is not such a thing as a "manufacturer of not-guns" (well, there are lots of manufacturers of things that are not guns XD), so how would wanting more gun control and opinion-makers that don't tell people violence and machismo are the right way to go... translate into an economic gain? Can you call that an agenda?
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RWarehall: The problem is her cause is not violence in video games. Her cause is not gun rights. Her cause is exposing misogyny in video games. Why is she commenting on school shootings pretending to be an expert? She's sees misogyny in games where there really isn't, now she's seeing misogyny in school shootings...
Maybe she can have more than one cause, like we all do. And a lot of people want to know what she or other internet personalities think about just about any subject, even if it doesn't relate to their main discourse. Why does the Amazing Atheist talk about ebola? With the exception of when Sarkeesian seemed to imply that there was a difference between killing a prostitute to get your money back in GTA than killing any other pedestrian for whatever amount big or small of money they had, which I found completely dishonest, I think she sometimes has good points. There is misogyny in games and in a lot of geek culture, and I care. Because I feel like writers are treating me like I'm stupid when they portray women in certain ways. I meet lots of fantastic people, men and women, and also horrible people, men and women again. I just want games to keep maturing, not be held back (specially not by game makers!) and give an honest critical look at a lot of issues. Gender or race shouldn't automatically earn a character the role of hero or villain and whatever the case they should never earn their whole collective the role of hero or villain.
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realkman666: Offended people are always wrong.
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F4LL0UT: So... everyone is wrong?
That's always a possibility. What isn't a possibility is everybody being right. Am I wrong? XD
Post edited October 26, 2014 by Decatonkeil
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And that justifies blaming the latest school shooting on "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy"?
Post edited October 26, 2014 by RWarehall
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realkman666: Offended people are always wrong.
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F4LL0UT: So... everyone is wrong?
I'm offended? :(