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Posted October 19, 2014
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KasperHviid: Yummlick, what are we talking about here?

I upvoted NO! for Hatred on GOG because I don't want it here on GoG. This has, of course, nothing to do with censorship. GoG or any other retailers are always free to decide which wares the wish to sell.

But then Neobr10 began arguing against "censorship", even though nobody in the thread had expressed any wishes for a govermental criminalization of the game. And following the flow you started arguing against him, which make it seem like you support actual censorship.

So just to be clear, what are we talking about? Are we talking about an actual criminialization of the game, or are we just talking about that we don't wish to have this pile of shit on GoG?

In my mind, I think of this game the same way as I think of extremism propaganda. There is even an overlap, due to the teams racist tendencies. I think of it as something that the world would be better off without, but which nevertheless acts within the borders set up by the laws.
Why would you not want this game on GoG? How does its simple presence bother you so? You don't want to play it, that's fine. But censorship is when you decide not to have content based on the content. If they offer a DRM free version, why should GoG not pick it up? No one will force you to buy it if they release it here, so how does it affect you in any way, shape or form?
Posted October 19, 2014
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KasperHviid: Yummlick, what are we talking about here?

I upvoted NO! for Hatred on GOG because I don't want it here on GoG. This has, of course, nothing to do with censorship. GoG or any other retailers are always free to decide which wares the wish to sell.

But then Neobr10 began arguing against "censorship", even though nobody in the thread had expressed any wishes for a govermental criminalization of the game. And following the flow you started arguing against him, which make it seem like you support actual censorship.

So just to be clear, what are we talking about? Are we talking about an actual criminialization of the game, or are we just talking about that we don't wish to have this pile of shit on GoG?

In my mind, I think of this game the same way as I think of extremism propaganda. There is even an overlap, due to the teams racist tendencies. I think of it as something that the world would be better off without, but which nevertheless acts within the borders set up by the laws.
Governmental criminalization of this game and people voting here http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/no_for_hatred_on_gog = not the same. Because people voting to prevent it from coming to GOG will not result in anyone being punished by the authorities. BUT both actions do = censorship. Censorship is censorship. It doesn't matter if you replace government officials with a large number of GOGers voting...
Post edited October 19, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 19, 2014
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Neobr10: But that's the thing, i know many people who enjoy playing GTA in "rampage mode" just wrecking havoc and killing everything that moves just to see how far they can get before the cops shoot them down. What's the difference between doing this and playing Hatred? Keep in mind that i'm not saying that both games are the same.

Me neither. I'm currently searching for it and i still couldn't really understand what the fuss is all about. It looks like you can "punish" the female protagonists in erotic ways. Oh, and it will be released in NA, but it seems to be a PS Vita exclusive. Looks like it will be censored here, though.
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Licurg: Only for PS Vita... Damn it ! :(
OMG, forgot I got that game on my japanese PS Vita ! Should try it to see what's controversial (a friend gave it me)
Posted October 19, 2014
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KasperHviid: Yummlick, what are we talking about here?

I upvoted NO! for Hatred on GOG because I don't want it here on GoG.
Or you know, you could just not buy it. Fuck this book burning attitude. It's exactly what the devs are trying to point out.
Posted October 19, 2014
Slender being on GoG is more offensive then Hatred entering the catalogue.
Posted October 19, 2014
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KasperHviid: Yummlick, what are we talking about here?

I upvoted NO! for Hatred on GOG because I don't want it here on GoG. This has, of course, nothing to do with censorship. GoG or any other retailers are always free to decide which wares the wish to sell.

But then Neobr10 began arguing against "censorship", even though nobody in the thread had expressed any wishes for a govermental criminalization of the game. And following the flow you started arguing against him, which make it seem like you support actual censorship.

So just to be clear, what are we talking about? Are we talking about an actual criminialization of the game, or are we just talking about that we don't wish to have this pile of shit on GoG?

In my mind, I think of this game the same way as I think of extremism propaganda. There is even an overlap, due to the teams racist tendencies. I think of it as something that the world would be better off without, but which nevertheless acts within the borders set up by the laws.
Since we're on GOG forums, we're talking about the possibility of this game being included in GOG catalogue. But, as some users above pointed out, this indeed is some kind of censorship. And I have nothing against it, some things simply should be restricted. Funny thing is that you probably do agree with banning some things (like neo-nazi propaganda in Germany for example), but the word "censorship" sounds so scarry these days that you're willing to claim that EVERYTHING should be allowed.
Posted October 19, 2014
As a person who believes in personal freedom I find all this "NO don't put on here!" deeply disturbing, As non-Blues we should NOT be trying to dictate what others can or can't get here (that's the job of the staff). We should be trying to expand the experiences of our fellow posters & GOG customers by introducing them to games the others might not know about.

/End rand
Posted October 20, 2014
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Rusty_Gunn: As a person who believes in personal freedom I find all this "NO don't put on here!" deeply disturbing, As non-Blues we should NOT be trying to dictate what others can or can't get here (that's the job of the staff). We should be trying to expand the experiences of our fellow posters & GOG customers by introducing them to games the others might not know about.

/End rand
So how about the freedom of GOG to decide what they want to put in their catalog? They do it all the time, by the way, reviewing applications from game developers and picking and choosing games to include according to various criteria. Do you see it as censorship if they decide not to include a certain title? Do you see it as censorship if they take into account discussions that take place here in the forum or in the wishlist? IMHO, freedom should not be mistaken with entitlement to use someone else's distribution channel, regardless of characteristics of a product you might want to push through it.

Not to mention that personal freedom also includes the right to voice a disapproval of a product in a public way, just like the author of the said product has a right to try and sell it to others. To borrow from you own post - we should NOT be trying to dictate to others that we should be trying to expand the experiences of others, REGARDLESS of subjectively-perceived qualities and features of products to be potentially offered on GOG. Because that would simply stifle the dicussion and could even lead to loss of reputation and popularity of GOG if they started to promote any and every kind of game that has even the smallest following...
Post edited October 20, 2014 by charmer
Posted October 20, 2014
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Rusty_Gunn: As a person who believes in personal freedom I find all this "NO don't put on here!" deeply disturbing, As non-Blues we should NOT be trying to dictate what others can or can't get here (that's the job of the staff). We should be trying to expand the experiences of our fellow posters & GOG customers by introducing them to games the others might not know about.

/End rand
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charmer: So how about the freedom of GOG to decide what they want to put in their catalog? They do it all the time, by the way, reviewing applications from game developers and picking and choosing games to include according to various criteria. Do you view it as censorship if they decide not to include a certain title? Do you view it as censorship if they take into account discussions that take place here in the forum or in the wishlist? IMHO, freedom should not be mistaken with entitlement to use someone else's distribution channel, regardless of characteristics of a product you might want to push through it.

Not to mention that personal freedom also includes the right to voice a disapproval with a product in a public way, just like the author of said product has a right to try and sell it to others. To borrow from you own post - we should NOT be trying to dictate to others that we should be trying to expand the experiences of others, REGARDLESS of subjectively-perceived qualities and features of products to be potentially offered on GOG. Because that would simply stifle the dicussion and even could lead to loss of reputation and popularity of GOG if they started to promote any and every kind of game that has even the smallest following...
1. Please re-read my post, you seem to have missed a small bit of it , Hint look for the "()".
2. to me there's a difference between saying "You shouldn't buy this game because (insert reason(s)here)." to a fellow poster & "GOG, Don't sell this game!"

One allows me the choice to agree or not, the other (if successful) limits my choices on the matter.
Posted October 20, 2014
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Mr.Caine: Slender being on GoG is more offensive then Hatred entering the catalogue.
You. I like you.
Posted October 20, 2014
I wasn't going to wright anything here because I know someone is going to rage at me, but this game looks so f**king awesome! The trailer is f**king intense and I hope they do bring this game to Gog. Well that is my opinion so don't go freaking out at me. :P
Posted October 20, 2014
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Rusty_Gunn: 1. Please re-read my post, you seem to have missed a small bit of it , Hint look for the "()".
2. to me there's a difference between saying "You shouldn't buy this game because (insert reason(s)here)." to a fellow poster & "GOG, Don't sell this game!"

One allows me the choice to agree or not, the other (if successful) limits my choices on the matter.
1. Fair enough. Hence, let me reiterate my follow-up question: Do you see it as censorship if GOG also takes into account discussions that take place here in the forum or in the wishlist?

2. OK, cool. Except that's a kind of a strawman. What I'm talking about is the freedom to say "See, I'd rather that GOG did not include game X because of Y." If Y happens to be a compelling argument to GOG staff, surely it would be okay for them to take it into consideration, right? On the same account, I don't see saying "GOG, I don't like X, please censor it." being ever able to sway them into complying...

BTW, hypothetically speaking, if you were a higher-up at GOG staff, would you go for an "anything goes" policy when deciding about the game catalogue expansions?
Posted October 20, 2014
I'd buy the game ^_^

There just pixels people =P

If anything I can agree to is that the mentally disturbed type gonna go crazy and do physical harm to people should not play such games. However sane and logical people that have common sense yeah I know there's few =P that would like to buy the game should be able to because they can tell the difference from reality and fantasy. end rant.
Posted October 20, 2014
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Awolnation: I wasn't going to wright anything here because I know someone is going to rage at me, but this game looks so f**king awesome! The trailer is f**king intense and I hope they do bring this game to Gog. Well that is my opinion so don't go freaking out at me. :P
*unleashes rage at Awolnation*
Posted October 20, 2014
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Awolnation: I wasn't going to wright anything here because I know someone is going to rage at me, but this game looks so f**king awesome! The trailer is f**king intense and I hope they do bring this game to Gog. Well that is my opinion so don't go freaking out at me. :P
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monkeydelarge: *unleashes rage at Awolnation*
Why would you unleash such a game at Awolnation?
Post edited October 20, 2014 by Rusty_Gunn
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