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Posted October 19, 2014
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xa_chan: But in no way I ever felt that GTA's gameplay was all about killing innocent civilians.
But that's the thing, i know many people who enjoy playing GTA in "rampage mode" just wrecking havoc and killing everything that moves just to see how far they can get before the cops shoot them down. What's the difference between doing this and playing Hatred? Keep in mind that i'm not saying that both games are the same.
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Licurg: Never heard of Criminal Girls before... Guess it's another one to add to the list :D
Me neither. I'm currently searching for it and i still couldn't really understand what the fuss is all about. It looks like you can "punish" the female protagonists in erotic ways. Oh, and it will be released in NA, but it seems to be a PS Vita exclusive. Looks like it will be censored here, though.
Post edited October 19, 2014 by Neobr10
Posted October 19, 2014
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Crosmando: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrX7G-1xPLs

We need more games like this. Just as a middle-finger to all the hipster indies who think video games need to be some profound art-form tackling social issues, just games that are unashamedly games.
Well after 3 days of not checking on this I finally decided to see the video and immedietly I thought, "OH HO HO HO HO HO Fox News, Jack Thompson, Anita Sarkessean, and Gaming Social Justice Warriors are going to have a FIELD DAY with this game, I can see the articles now, (The Sebian Film of Gaming?)" and like all controversial games putting this game on the spot light to condemn it ironically will make it more popular than it should be just like how GTA became famous.

So basically its GTA's 5 star mode and Postal had a baby?
Posted October 19, 2014
I watched the trailer two times yesterday, saw the Kotaku article soon after (which wasn't that bad, tbh - probably because it wasn't written by friggin' Patricia 'Numbnuts' Hernandez) and - I shit you not - then I actually had a nightmare about a teen with an automatic shotgun walking around in some sub-urban area mowing down people, killing civilians and cops everywhere around me (the first cop dying right after I warned him and pointed him in the direction of the killer).

I didn't think that the game would get stuck in my head like this. The trailer genuinely disturbed me on some deeper level.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Neobr10: Have you ever killed innocent civilians in GTA?
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xa_chan: In fact, no. Cops, thugs, but no civilians. Maybe i'm stupid?

But in no way I ever felt that GTA's gameplay was all about killing innocent civilians. Sure, you can do it, and I like that GTA gives me the possibility to do it, but doesn't penalize me for not doing so. A game whose core gameplay IS killing innocent people? No, not my dope, won't ever be.
Unless your character is a Psychopath (Trevor) most of the main characters in GTA would not go on murderous rampages on the innocent.

You think Tommy Vercetti, Carl Johnson, Niko Bellic, Luis Lopez, and Franklin and Michael De Santa would go on such rampages? Even some career criminals have their moral standards.

Michael De Santa, "I rob banks, but I'm not a Psychopath"
Post edited October 19, 2014 by Elmofongo
Posted October 19, 2014
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xa_chan: But in no way I ever felt that GTA's gameplay was all about killing innocent civilians.
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Neobr10: But that's the thing, i know many people who enjoy playing GTA in "rampage mode" just wrecking havoc and killing everything that moves just to see how far they can get before the cops shoot them down. What's the difference between doing this and playing Hatred? Keep in mind that i'm not saying that both games are the same.
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Licurg: Never heard of Criminal Girls before... Guess it's another one to add to the list :D
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Neobr10: Me neither. I'm currently searching for it and i still couldn't really understand what the fuss is all about. It looks like you can "punish" the female protagonists in erotic ways. Oh, and it will be released in NA, but it seems to be a PS Vita exclusive. Looks like it will be censored here, though.
Only for PS Vita... Damn it ! :(
Posted October 19, 2014
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Elmofongo: Unless your character is a Psychopath (Trevor) most of the main characters in GTA would not go on murderous rampages on the innocent.
I haven't completely beaten GTA V yet but from what I've seen so far not even Trevor goes on "murderous rampages on the innocent" by your definition and which of these characters does go killing everyone on sight is up to the player. That the game's plot makes Trevor the biggest psycho (note that Michael is also a psychopath based on the plot) doesn't mean that Franklin can't be he one and only character who goes on a genuine killing spree killing hundreds of civilians everywhere. :P
Posted October 19, 2014
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Yummlick: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/no_for_hatred_on_gog

Let the games begin!
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Licurg: Pussy .
I would play this game, but not as a Psycho killer. Instead as a savage monster be it a werewolf or godzilla or hell even an evangelion for NGE, those things creep me the fuck out:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2m4evpd.jpg

[url=http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120202210635/evangelion/images/b/b3/Evangelion_Unit_02_(Beast_Mode).png]http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120202210635/evangelion/images/b/b3/Evangelion_Unit_02_(Beast_Mode).png[/url]
Posted October 19, 2014
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Jonesy89: Given the remarks that the developer has made about how they are fed up with the school of thought that games need to be artistic statements and that they wanted the game to just be a violent game that focused on being "fun", I'm not holding my breath.
I woudn't call this 'artistic' - I would call it 'storytelling'. If the only story this game has to offer is 'You play as a guy who hates everybody and kills waves of enemies, ranging from unarmed civilians to highly trained and well armed soldiers until you die', what would keep me playing this kind of game? Even the worst slasher films have some plot.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Yummlick: You missed the point. There's "something" obviously wrong with child pornography, so it's banned. There's also "something" obviously wrong about this game, so it should be banned.
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Neobr10: No, there isn't "something" obviously wrong with this game and your analogy with child porn was fucking ridiculous. You need a reality check.
Apparently you need a reality check. Ask yourself why do you consider the theme of this game acceptable, but you wouldn't consider a game about rapist acceptable. Is rape worse than murder? Is this "the line"? Why would it be? I'm sure some people would find rape simulator fun and acceptable. Hint: you will find the answer in my previous posts.

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Yummlick: This "something" is a portrayal of horrible and disgusting acts of crime for the sake of someone's entertainment.
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Neobr10: The same could be said about most games that involve killing. Please, ban Manhunt, GTA and Postal. Please, start a Wishlist entry to remove Postal from GOG, because it also portrays horrible and disgusting acts of crime for the sake of someone's entertainment.
Wrong. Context, form and goals of these games make them much less atroucious than Hatred is.

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Yummlick: The fact that you can't see the difference doesn't mean that there isn't one. There are plenty, actually, like context, form/realism, mood, goals of these games. You just chose to look at the most basic similarities and concluded that it's the same thing.
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Neobr10: Learn how to read, please. I didn't say there wasn't any difference at all, what i said is that the difference is NOT obvious like you said. The fact that some games here in GOG itself are banned in some countries (like Postal and Carmaggedon) and not in others already proves that there is nothing "obvious" about what is acceptable and what isn't. So, i will ask you again since you still haven't answred me: if you're defending censorship so much, please, tell me where do we draw the line between what's acceptable and what isn't?]

And why is your definition universal? Why can't other people buy and enjoy the game just because you found it to be disgusting? How is that mentality any different from Jack Thompson? Was Jack Thompson right for defending that violent games whould be banned?
Again, differences between these game are obvious. If they wasn't then we wouldn't have this discussion all over the Internet. Compare context, form and goals of Hatred to context, form and goals of Manhunt or Postal.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Elmofongo: I would play this game, but not as a Psycho killer. Instead as a savage monster be it a werewolf or godzilla or hell even an evangelion for NGE, those things creep me the fuck out:
I would certainly play the game if the main character were an unstoppable bad guy. He's probably gonna make a crappy protagonist but could be one of the most amazing antagonists in gaming yet. Also the resulting gameplay could be truly unique while this is probably just gonna be a particularly boring shooter interrupted by insanely cruel finishing moves every couple of seconds. :P

Also it just occurred to me that this guy reminds a whole lot of Walter Sullivan.
Posted October 19, 2014
Sigh, I'm sorry but it's such a lazy concept. If you want senseless mass carnage, then at least do it in style: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/659943965/human-resources-an-apocalyptic-rts-game
which I hope is a real game :P
Posted October 19, 2014
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Yummlick: Apparently you need a reality check. Ask yourself why do you consider the theme of this game acceptable, but you wouldn't consider a game about rapist acceptable. Is rape worse than murder? Is this "the line"? Why would it be? I'm sure some people would find rape simulator fun and acceptable. Hint: you will find the answer in my previous posts.
Again, please, learn how to read. I said i found it disgusting, not that i want it banned. There are japanese Visual Novels out there that are far worse than Rapelay and i don't want these things banned. Sure, i'm never going to play them, but i'm not defending censorship in any way, shape or form. If people find that to be fun, let them play it. There are movies out there that are much more disgusting and graphic (Rapelay has anime-style characters and it doesn't even show nudity or sex as far as i'm aware).

I'm not discussing what is disgusting and what isn't, this is a completely subjective matter. What i'm talking about is censorship. Stop trying to move the goalposts up.

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Yummlick: Wrong. Context, form and goals of these games make them much less atroucious than Hatred is.
Then, please, explain. You keep repeating that, but so far you have not provided any arguments to back it up.

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Yummlick: Again, differences between these game are obvious. If they wasn't then we wouldn't have this discussion all over the Internet. Compare context, form and goals of Hatred to context, form and goals of Manhunt or Postal.
How is it obvious? If it was obvious we wouldn't have a 11-page thread discussing the issue. Repeating that "it's obvious" over and over again doesn't make it obvious.

And since you still haven't answred me: where do we draw the line between what's acceptable and what isn't? What should be the criteria to "ban" a game? Do you agree with Jack Thompson?
Post edited October 19, 2014 by Neobr10
Posted October 19, 2014
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Neobr10: Again, please, learn how to read. I said i found it disgusting, not that i want it banned. There are japanese Visual Novels out there that are far worse than Rapelay and i don't want these things banned. Sure, i'm never going to play them, but i'm not defending censorship in any way, shape or form. If people find that to be fun, let them play it. There are movies out there that are much more disgusting and graphic (Rapelay has anime-style characters and it doesn't even show nudity or sex as far as i'm aware).

I'm not discussing what is disgusting and what isn't, this is a completely subjective matter. What i'm talking about is censorship. Stop trying to move the goalposts up.
If you would be OK with selling games like Rapelay or hypothetical "nazi death camp manager" on GOG or any other distribution platform, because of conviction that "artistic" freedom is absolutely sacred and censorship is evil in every possible form and shape, then we can drop this subject already. I don't consider artistic freedom sacred and censorship unambiguously bad. Vide: child pornography (or even "sexualization" of children in media, as some consider it as more "artsy" and by so - acceptable).

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Yummlick: Wrong. Context, form and goals of these games make them much less atroucious than Hatred is.
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Neobr10: Then, please, explain. You keep repeating that, but so far you have not provided any arguments to back it up.
What exactly needs explanation here? In Hatred you play as a brutal maniac who's only goal is to kill as many innocent people before he gets killed. Developers aim for realism in both mood and artstyle of their game. This description cannot be applied for games like GTA or even Manhunt or Postal.

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Neobr10: How is it obvious? If it was obvious we wouldn't have a 11-page thread discussing the issue. Repeating that "it's obvious" over and over again doesn't make it obvious.

And since you still haven't answred me: where do we draw the line between what's acceptable and what isn't? What should be the criteria to "ban" a game? Do you agree with Jack Thompson?
If this is a game like GTA or Manhunt, then why exactly are we having this conversation? There was no shitstorm of this magnitude after release of the last GTA game. Apparently there are some important differences, but you chose to ignore them.
And the line is already drawn, this game clearly crosses it. You're Ok with this fact, because it's just a little step over said line, but I'm pretty sure that any sane person wouldn't be fine with it if the step was any bigger (like including killable children or option to rape victims).
On the side note, I have no idea who Jack Thompson is or was.
Posted October 19, 2014
I like Postal games, but I wouldn't probably play this.
Postal is sort of a joke, but this seems just psycho.

I'm looking forward to hear about how was the game "welcomed" when it gets release, though.
Also, if the guy behind this game made it with "Are you thinking about killing lot of people? Play this game instead!" message in mind, I support that.
Posted October 19, 2014
Yummlick, what are we talking about here?

I upvoted NO! for Hatred on GOG because I don't want it here on GoG. This has, of course, nothing to do with censorship. GoG or any other retailers are always free to decide which wares the wish to sell.

But then Neobr10 began arguing against "censorship", even though nobody in the thread had expressed any wishes for a govermental criminalization of the game. And following the flow you started arguing against him, which make it seem like you support actual censorship.

So just to be clear, what are we talking about? Are we talking about an actual criminialization of the game, or are we just talking about that we don't wish to have this pile of shit on GoG?

In my mind, I think of this game the same way as I think of extremism propaganda. There is even an overlap, due to the teams racist tendencies. I think of it as something that the world would be better off without, but which nevertheless acts within the borders set up by the laws.
Post edited October 19, 2014 by KasperHviid
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