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Can't say I'm not intrigued. I too would like to know the release date, but I'm guessing even the devs don't know yet.
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Crewdroog: well, they just went and served the media and idiots a "games are making people violent" excuse right on a god damn silver platter.
Considering the fact that I couldn't even find the game by searching "Hatred PC Game" on the Internet (and had to instead search for the team's name), I presume that they decided to adopt the "There is no bad publicity" motto.
Post edited October 16, 2014 by Grargar
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Crewdroog: well, they just went and served the media and idiots a "games are making people violent" excuse right on a god damn silver platter.
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Grargar: Considering the fact that I couldn't even find the game by searching "Hatred PC Game" on the Internet (and had to instead search for the team's name), I presume that they decided to adopt the "There is no bad publicity" motto.
Yeah, well with a video like that one, I was pretty much assuming that. But still, it's a dick move to the community. The voice over is actually describing most of the US's mass shootings. If it gets popular over here, it's gonna be a shit storm.
Not my cup of tea, but anything that gives the politically correct the middle finger is cool in my book.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by Thunderstone
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From the dev:
The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment – we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure. Herecomes our game, which takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. We say ‘yes, it is a game about killing people’ and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred. Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question using new Unreal Engine 4,
Notice the line I underlined above. They claim that the game is solely about "pure gaming pleasure" and yet at the same time they claim they are making some sorta social commentary? Can they make up their mind?
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Crosmando: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrX7G-1xPLs

We need more games like this. Just as a middle-finger to all the hipster indies who think video games need to be some profound art-form tackling social issues, just games that are unashamedly games.
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KasperHviid: "'Hipster"? Seriously, you are at a forum for vintage PC games. What can be more 'hipster' than that?

But about the game, it's death count will hardly be any different from any other action games. The only thing that make it stick out is that it doesn't try to justify the kills by making the victims appear as a threat to the player. So by abandoning the troopes and showing the slaugter for what it is, the game is actually more "profound art-form" than most other action games.
Duh, hooking up the old Atari ST and playing from floppies is several levels more hipster than shopping at GoG.com =P

As for this game, meh. It looks boring. The trailer is just selling one thing: over the top indiscriminate violence, .. so it's porn?
So it's basically Postal 1 but with Nathan Explosion? How is this anything new? Unfortunately I can see politicians using this game as an excuse for more censorship though.
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KasperHviid: From the dev:

The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment – we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure. Herecomes our game, which takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. We say ‘yes, it is a game about killing people’ and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred. Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question using new Unreal Engine 4,
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KasperHviid: Notice the line I underlined above. They claim that the game is solely about "pure gaming pleasure" and yet at the same time they claim they are making some sorta social commentary? Can they make up their mind?
Nice. I agree, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either this is just a game to fuel your basest desires for destruction, or it's some cerebral social experiment, where we the player are supposed to look inward and outward. Yeah, they can't do that cause with the last part, you are becoming what you specifically set out not do to: be more than base entertainment.
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KasperHviid: "'Hipster"? Seriously, you are at a forum for vintage PC games. What can be more 'hipster' than that?

But about the game, it's death count will hardly be any different from any other action games. The only thing that make it stick out is that it doesn't try to justify the kills by making the victims appear as a threat to the player. So by abandoning the troopes and showing the slaugter for what it is, the game is actually more "profound art-form" than most other action games.
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Atlantico: Duh, hooking up the old Atari ST and playing from floppies is several levels more hipster than shopping at GoG.com =P

As for this game, meh. It looks boring. The trailer is just selling one thing: over the top indiscriminate violence, .. so it's porn?
So... "we need more games like this" because exactly three people on the planet are playing games from Atari ST floppy disks? Your logic is so flawed, I don't even think there's any logic in there.
One thing is sure, the game has no appeal to me, because it has a serious tone which in my mind doesn't suit the genra of top-down shooter.
Unlike in True Lies, terrorism has ceased to be a funny subject in our western culture since long ago.
On the topic of violent videogames,it also reminds me of the debate that was caused by the infamous mission in Cod:Mw2. Although in GTA or in the Elders Scrolls, it is possible to be a mass murderer, it was not the main focus in any of these games.

To conclude, I'm not against killing lots of npcs in videogames, but most of the time, I enjoy more being on the good side than other one (Dungeon keeper :P).

I don't know if the game will be good but I don't expect it to receive a lot of praise.
GOG has Postal and Postal 2, not sure why he thinks this might be a problem haha. Don't forget Carmageddon and Phantasmagoria and tons of other games that had controversy around them, I can't wait to add this to my game library!
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First let me just say I'm against censorship in any way.

The games that get compared the most as I read feedback are:

Grand Theft Auto
Manhunt
Hotline Miami
Postal (The first one)

Grand Theft Auto allows you to slaughter innocents, and in some pretty horrific ways, this is undeniable. However, it is NOT part of the main game. It is NOT required to progress the story. It is PLAYER CHOICE.

So instantly, I rule GTA out. GTA is about playing as criminals, but they have their own greedy and selfish goals that usually involve money and power. Innocents simply get in the way.

Next, you have Manhunt, which is a very dark and gruesome game. But this one also gets crossed out, because, while you may play as a criminal, a death row inmate even, implying he did something very awful indeed, the game doesn't have you killing any innocent people whatsoever. Your enemies are criminals, white supremacists, mercenaries, the mentally disturbed, and cops. Some of those are grey areas, sure, but they are all trying to kill and stop you, the player, from progressing. In other words they are a threat. You the player have to form a sort of unholy alliance to lead the main character to safety. I consider Manhunt a well made piece of dark art in the way it handles that.

Next, you have Hotline Miami, which honestly baffles me. Hotline Miami is about mind control and killing criminals related to the Russians and... its really wacky and out of this world. Just because its top down and violent doesn't mean shit.

Finally, the most accurate of them all, Postal. The first game has you playing a cryptic, delusional, mentally broken man who is convinced something is in the water and the world wants him dead. So he grabs his weapons and goes on a rampage.

However, there is an important thing you must understand about Postal and Hatred. Even in Postal, slaughtering innocents is PLAYER CHOICE. You only have to kill the cops to proceed.

And that's kind of my problem from what I see of Hatred. You see the player dash out, and just start spraying away at innocents, as he does his best edgy voice about being mad and "boo hoo time to kill a bunch of people i want to die violently so brutal".

Look, I hope this game has something to say. I hope it has a purpose. I want to learn about this character. What made him this way? Will he have a moral dilemma? What were the events that lead up to his mass killings? Am I only killing unarmed innocents? If so, that sounds very boring. Am I forced to kill innocents to proceed? Why? What happens to this character at the end? Does he just shoot himself? Congrats you beat the game? Does he go to prison perhaps? Will we see the consequences of his actions? Will he learn anything? Perhaps there will be a twist?

I hope there is more substance to this. I hope it's not Edgy: The Game. I'm sorry, I'm not 14 anymore.

This is the type of game that, when done wrong, can very well damage the art form we all love and enjoy. Video games. I can only hope the developer knows what they're doing...
Disposable entertainment for budding alienated social misfits of the world with delusions of psychopathic grandeur--whether or not they grow up to be an Adam Lanza or James Holmes (and most do not). The trailer makes the events in a game like Manhunt (which I've played and "enjoyed", albeit found unsettling) seem positively moral by comparison.

I'm sure Anders Behring Breivik will be demanding access to this game during his stay at Chateau Skien. Possibly go on a hunger strike if this basic human right isn't met.

The real casualty of this game is the long leather trenchcoat. Sadly, I feel it'll never make a legitimate fashion comeback now. Donning it you're either jackbooted gestapo about to round up Jews from the Polish ghetto, or you're an enraged rivethead/deathrocker about to go on a killing spree.
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MaridAudran: The real casualty of this game is the long leather trenchcoat. Sadly, I feel it'll never make a legitimate fashion comeback now. Donning it you're either jackbooted gestapo about to round up Jews from the Polish ghetto, or you're an enraged rivethead/deathrocker about to go on a killing spree.
Or a huge Deus Ex fan!
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MaridAudran: I'm sure Anders Behring Breivik will be demanding access to this game during his stay at Chateau Skien. Possibly go on a hunger strike if this basic human right isn't met.
He was on a christian crusade against socialists...but even if your comparison didn't suck and he was into guts and gore, if only he did have this game, maybe he would have stayed at home and played this instead of the real thing.