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DarkStormErx: Again doesn't make any sense and is a retarded analogy since it's supposed to be a game store that features a variety of different games from different genres and banning games sorely for the excuse of not being "quality"" is purely childish and an idiotic move since the option should be left to the consumers who actually, you know, are the ones spending their money. They did this sorely due to political reasons, why else would they not want to sell games people voted for and wanted.
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Fenixp: So, who's going to provide support, server space and quality assurance for patches for all those games, all of which GOG does? You? I don't think you realize just how many games are routinely sent to GOG for sale, and that every single game on sale actually comes with running costs. Thanks for the insults tho, always brighten up my evening :-)
No problem, always glad to make someone happy.
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This is leading nowhere.
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gunsynd: Another one.
DarkStormErx bug catcher wants to fight!
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tinyE: Except for Cubs fans. Fuck em all and I say we nuke Wrigley.
If you do, then please not without these guy(s) at the gates...
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DarkStormErx: Again doesn't make any sense and is a retarded analogy since it's supposed to be a game store that features a variety of different games from different genres and banning games sorely for the excuse of not being "quality"" is purely childish and an idiotic move since the option should be left to the consumers who actually, you know, are the ones spending their money. They did this sorely due to political reasons, why else would they not want to sell games people voted for and wanted.
Agreed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmJQi27YqFA
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gunsynd: Another one.
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Nipoti: DarkStormErx bug catcher wants to fight!
Ding!
Hulk Smash!
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monkeydelarge: So everyone who uses the term "SJW" when talking about social justice warriors is a racist, sexist or homophobic "caveman"?
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tinyE: No. Absolutely not. I never said that and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

Everyone who uses the term "SJW" is just really really fucking annoying. :D

That's why I insisted on a kick in the nuts. It's quick, effective, get's your point across, and doesn't cause any permanent damage.
I was replying to Telika. And you have a better term for social justice warriors?
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tinyE: I have a dachshund I call Eva Braun.

I also call her Victrola because she is named after Queen Victoria so I'll let you figure out the psychology and political synapse of that one. :P

Pizza Hut refuses to sell Coca Cola and Burger King refuses to sell Big Macs, are you going to stop going to those places too? :P
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DarkStormErx: Probably one of the most idiotic comparisons I've read online.

But yes, when I ate there when I was a kid. Not anymore since I'm into Strength training and healthy food. I don't get what you and Fenixp are getting at. Sure they have the decision and right to what gets on their store, just like how I have my decisions not to support such practice. If they were really for freedom they would allow most games and let gamers decide, which by the way, they did but didn't follow through.
I agree. Last time I checked, Coca Cola and Big Macs are not works of art that were created to express feelings and thoughts. I guess there is no need for me to warn you about tinyE. I'm sure, now you are well aware that he is the village idiot.
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tinyE: No. Absolutely not. I never said that and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

Everyone who uses the term "SJW" is just really really fucking annoying. :D

That's why I insisted on a kick in the nuts. It's quick, effective, get's your point across, and doesn't cause any permanent damage.
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dick1982: call me an ironical intolerant racist hypocrite, but i won't want the people in the thread calling us "SJWs" kicking me in the nuts though. it has to be one-way. me kicking nuts. but my own nuts stay safe and fresh.
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DeathDiciple: As a female, I find your assumption on the gender of anti-SJW crowd highly sexist and mysogynist. I thought you were supposed to be better than those 'cavemen'?

Also, kicking me in what I don't possess is not gonna work :P
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dick1982: i'll buy you a strap-on if you don't find that sexist.
So if you don't want social justice warriors to be called "SJWs", then suggest a better term for such people? Something with 3 letters or less. Something convenient and easy to remember.
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monkeydelarge: I guess there is no need for me to warn you about tinyE. I'm sure, now you are well aware that he is the village idiot.
And that warning is delivered, courtesy of... ?
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Dalswyn: And that warning is delivered, courtesy of... ?
He was kicked out of his village a long time ago and they don't want him back. So...probably itinerant idiot?
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monkeydelarge: I guess there is no need for me to warn you about tinyE. I'm sure, now you are well aware that he is the village idiot.
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Dalswyn: And that warning is delivered, courtesy of... ?
No warning was delivered. There was no need. Just like I don't need to warn anyone about Dalswyn the GOG fanboy neck beard troll. They can just read your posts.
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Dalswyn: And that warning is delivered, courtesy of... ?
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Ophelium: He was kicked out of his village a long time ago and they don't want him back. So...probably itinerant idiot?
You still mad at me? I guess the truth hurts...
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monkeydelarge: So everyone who uses the term "SJW" when talking about social justice warriors is a racist, sexist or homophobic "caveman"? Like using those three letters in a sentence is no different than taking off a hat and revealing the word "SLAVER" tattooed on your forehead in the Fallout universe? Come on. You are better than this. I'm sure half the people who use the term "SJW" use it because it's more convenient than writing "people who are interested in what they think is social justice".

Holy shit. When did this community turn into the Tumblr community and how did it happen?
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Telika: Think of the words used, what they imply, who they are used by. It's neither original nor innocent. Have you ever heard hysterical "SWJ conspiracies" and SWJ labels in other contexts ? Do you think that people going crazy about 'hatred' (and i am sorry, but only the hatred fans are going crazy about hatred here : as mentionned by both sides of the argument to illustrate opposite things, if gog was selling this game here the "forum outrage" would not be comparable at all) have just one shitty game in mind, and aren't just rolling on the momentum of a general feeling of "oppression by the SJW" ? Who are constantly playing the huge victims of "political correctness" ? Where does the expression "political correctness" actually stems from and why ?

This whole psychodrama is broader than this shooter, and this shooter gets overblown as a pathetic little symbol of something else (which it exclusively capitalizes on, making it an automated wallet-vacuum-sucker for idiots, because that's what its business plan amounts to). It is fueled by the frustration of all those who already feel super persecuted by sexism-being-a-thing and other consequence of our society's increasing self-awareness on societal issues. The reflex of screaming "SJW" and barking at "censorship" was already present, and well trained by other pseudo-martyrdoms in different contexts. The whole thought structure, the lexicon, the attitudes, thr rhetorics, it's directly imported to this discussion - or rather the opposite, the question of gog-selling-hatred is directly imported into that big vague protest against the increasing ridicule attached to reactionary clichés, a vague protest with its already-honed code and vocabulary.

The only real offensive thing about 'hatred' is its bet-on-cretins business plan. The hatred-centered question is purely a commercial question : the "right" to sell in every shop (!?) any shit cheaply capitalizing on any trend (here, the pre-existing anti-"SWJ" neurosis) because oh noes one shop not selling my product is an intolerable infrigement on free market. The whole "political" argument around it ("it is censorship on the freedom of expressions on art and ideas and we would totally call amnesty international if they weren't such SJWs") is just an irrelevant, self-serving, hijacking of more important values, on the same mode as the rhetorics of reactionary creeps when they consider they don't get enough media visibility ("stop being intolerant to intolerance").

You used to mock libertarianism, and its rhetorics of pseudo-freedom dismissing everything else. But it is exactly what is at stake here. Both through the pseudo-"freedom of expression" (an old fallacy on so many level : freedom of expression neither is an absolute value nor is endangered in this specific context), and through the obligation to sell whatever product everywhere (there is no such a thing, and there shouldn't be, despite of the freemarket=democray=freemarket rhetorics). "OH NOES SJW DICTATORSHIP" is just the packaging here, but heck, it's flashy, and super flattering (in a very you-are-the-social-justice-warrior way, actually), and it sells. Super well. On some people. Who are not even that numerous after all, desite of the noise they make.

The double standard is, as often pointed out, in why the rejection of a 'hatred' generates a reaction that much more violent than the rejection of a vastly superior 'braid'. Check what notions get mobilised in the defense of 'hatred', and this double standard is explained by the gamergate-ish controversies that have been running and growing in parallel. And these gamergate-ish controversies are deeply rooted in the most archaic reactionary rearguard. The parallels in rhetorics are not fortuitous. It is just a ridiculous mutual piggybacking - with a coin slot on one side.

So yes, the borrowing of arguments and terminologies is quite telling of what is actually at stake, here. Beyond the idiotic a-game-is-not-sold-by-gog anecdote, which, by itself, would have generated only a couple of lines.
This forum won't let me reply to this post of yours the normal way for some reason.

So here is my reply to this post of yours.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/hatred_game/post2491
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fine, i'll take your bait.

let's call rename SJW's as "SCUM" (Society for Cutting Up Men)
http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
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tinyE: What exactly was the point of him telling me he is into strength training? :P

-Hey pal, what time is it?
-Half past three, I own a Porsche.

Huh?
Like half the point of owning a Porsche is telling everyone you own one.
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I appreciate the time and effort you put into your reply but I have to disagree with most of what you have said. The term "SJW' may not be original and may not be innocent but using such a term, still doesn't automatically make you homophobic, sexist or racist. And not everyone who is against political correctness is homophobic, sexist or racist. Isn't it wrong to generalize such a large group of people? There is a good reason to be against political correctness and the reason is a politically correct environment limits the freedom of people to a point where each person has to live like sheep. And I see no need for this and see a lot of negative consequences from this. Of course, I see a need to make it definitely not politically correct to be a "caveman" in the 21st century but that is where it should end. That is where the line should be drawn. The problem with political correctness is people who support it are never satisfied so political correctness always ends up becoming a hungry beast. Devouring more and more of people's freedom to live life the way they want and be who they want to be just to comfort paranoid people and fools. Of course, there is no good reason to be against true social justice but there are many reasons to be against certain SJWs because not every SJW is a good person fighting for a good cause. Therefore, not every SJW is really an SJW. It's as simple as that. Just because someone claims he or she is fighting for social justice, doesn't automatically mean that someone is fighting for social justice. It's very possible, this person just wants attention or money or is malevolent and wants to make a group of people suffer. It's also very possible, this person is delusional or insane(thinking all men are rapists).

I don't doubt that a lot of racist, sexist and homophobic people support the game Hatred just out of their hatred for the people they see as the enemy(a way for them to protest). So I can understand seeing supporters of Hatred as suspects but treating them like the enemy is stepping over the line and is 100% pure Mccarthyism. And like it or not, Hatred is a symbol due to it's violent content. Hatred was never overblown to a symbol. It was born as a symbol. Your feelings on this game, can not change this fact.

You don't know for sure that their business plan was "bet on cretin". I think their idea was to add a game to a niche market to make a good amount of money. And to create a symbol to get people that hate censorship to buy their games too for the same reason, most likely(to make a good amount of money). And even if you are right, so what? What is wrong with making money from 21st cavemen without hurting anyone?

I used to mock libertarianism because this way of thinking puts on a pedestal a level of "freedom" that will result in a lot of people suffering, dying, a lack of opportunities for most people, no progress and an extremely low quality of life for everyone except a small percentage of people. But I see no negative consequences from freedom of expression being totally unrestricted at the cost of some "rights" some people have. I see nothing wrong with a world where all feelings and thoughts flow freely. Store owners wont be able to play god? Oh well. Not a big deal really. It's not like they would be losing rights that would prevent them from enjoying life unless of course, they can only enjoy life by playing god but forget those people. It takes more than being exposed to certain content to make a person behave in an uncivilized way. Don't you want to see the world become more like the internet or do you hate the internet? I'm guessing you don't hate the internet so then why are you against the real world becoming more like the internet?
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