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Posted October 18, 2014
i just discovered the trailer and I impressed to see how gloomy Hatred is, but keep in mind it's just a catharsis like Postal 2.
The only difference between Hatred and Postal 2 is that postal 2 has some funny or ridiculous situations, whereas Hatred seems extremeley realistic and serious in its vision of violence and auto-destruction.

When I see hatred, I see what I would like to do daily when I encounter bastards : explose heads or stab someone is something that everybody think of but rarely do in reality.
That's why this game is just an incredible mean to evacuate frustration or hate and not a futur culprit after a mass- murdering attack.

People don't become violent because of video games, they become violent because they already have the desire to kill and can't control themselves.
I voted for Hatred in order to see it on GOG, because I like this kind of game, even if i hope the gameplay will be a bit more complex than playing a psycho.

Don't blame Hatred, blame those who are too weak to control their death impulses or have no pity for mankind !
Posted October 18, 2014
On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
Posted October 18, 2014
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Yummlick: To all people arguing that "it's just a game" and "these are not real people":

By your "logic" it would be OK to make and distribute games where you're playing as a child rapist or some nazi death camp manager. Because "Hey! It's not real and I'm enjoying playing this! What's your problem with me having some fun?".
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Neobr10: The first example you mentioned actually exists and it's called Rapelay. There's a game that kind of comes close to your second example and it's called Ethnic Cleansing (you have to kill black people, latins and i think that there are also jews you have to kill, but i'm not sure).

Yes, i also found both games to be disgusting, much more than Hatred (which i personally couldn't see a problem with, it looks very similar to Postal, just darker), but censorship is something i will never support. The problem when we start banning "disgusting" games is finding out where to draw the line. Sure, something as harmless as Mario will never be banned, but what about things like Carmaggedon, Manhunt, Postal and GTA? I know many people who find these 4 games to be disgusting. Where do we draw the line here? What is ok and what isn't? I think that any kind of censorship is extremely dangerous. First, we're banning Hatred, the next day we're banning GTA.
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Flesh420.613: Really people? Hollywood produces and promotes worse movies. Hatred looks like a blast to play, in more ways than one.
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Neobr10: Definitely, i've seen movies MUCH, MUCH worse than any game out there. Movies get a free pass, games don't. Go figure.
This is true. Once we start walking down the dark road of censorship...when will it end? We will be creating a monster in every country and soon almost everywhere in the world, it will be as bad as it is in Germany when it comes to censorship, right now(or things could be worse). When I say "monster", I mean a group of people who will decide what is disgusting and what is not. And because we live in a world where money is god, they will have justify their existence in order to keep their jobs... So then games that aren't really disgusting will be labeled disgusting and banned. And it won't stop until most gamers will be left with nothing but games for children and adult games with green blood and robots only. :(
Post edited October 18, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 18, 2014
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catpower1980: On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
That was awesome :D
Posted October 18, 2014
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catpower1980: On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
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Licurg: That was awesome :D
Going soft on us? That song was really emo. It needs to be replaced by Holst - Mars Bringer Of War. That would be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I
Post edited October 18, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 18, 2014
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Licurg: That was awesome :D
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monkeydelarge: Going soft on us? That song was really emo. It needs to be replaced by Holst - Mars Bringer Of War. That would be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I
Did you just call Johnny Cash emo ???
Posted October 18, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Going soft on us? That song was really emo. It needs to be replaced by Holst - Mars Bringer Of War. That would be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I
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Licurg: Did you just call Johnny Cash emo ???
No but that song is emo. Just look at the lyrics.
Posted October 18, 2014
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Garrison72: GoG needs to sell this game. In light of the recent attacks on gaming they need to demonstrate that creative freedom is alive in the industry. If they don't, then they can refuse any other game on political grounds.
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Breja: Please, let's not make THIS game the banner of "creative freedom". There is nothing creative about it. It's just cheap schock immagery to generate buzz in the media and appeal to immature people with bad taste. And there is nothing political about it either.

I honestly think there was too much time devoted to this game here already, by myself too. It does not deserve it. The best we can do is ignore it from now on, kill it with silence, as we should have from the beginning, no matter where it is sold.
Releasing it here doesn't make the game a banner of anything, it just sends a clear message on creative licence.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by Garrison72
Posted October 18, 2014
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catpower1980: On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
If that was real - my interest in this game skyrockets.
Posted October 18, 2014
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Licurg: Did you just call Johnny Cash emo ???
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monkeydelarge: No but that song is emo. Just look at the lyrics.
I have. That's now what emo is...
Posted October 18, 2014
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monkeydelarge: No but that song is emo. Just look at the lyrics.
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Licurg: I have. That's now what emo is...
For me that song is "emo". Emo because it expresses a lot of sadness, regret etc. Other people might call it something else.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 18, 2014
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Yummlick: So, just because you don't like child porn no one else should be allowed to view it, right? Amazing.
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Neobr10: Really? Comparing a game with child porn? Are you fucking nuts? Next time you will compare Dead or Alive Xtreme Volleyball with real life rape.
You missed the point. There's "something" obviously wrong with child pornography, so it's banned. There's also "something" obviously wrong about this game, so it should be banned. This "something" is a portrayal of horrible and disgusting acts of crime for the sake of someone's entertainment.
You consider depictions of violence more acceptable only because of the fact that we're used to violence in movies and games. This game clearly crosses the line, however, by making a fun out of mass murders of innocent people and you can't see anything wrong about it. Desensitization at its best.
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Yummlick: And difference between Hatred and Manhunt or GTA is obvious. It's called "context".
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Neobr10: Oh, no, it's anything but obvious. Want some proof? The original version of Manhunt 2 was banned in most countries (which made Rockstar censor the fuck out of the game) while the first one wasn't. Again, where do we draw the line between what's acceptable and what isn't? And no, there is not much difference between something like Postal or Carmaggedon and this game.
The fact that you can't see the difference doesn't mean that there isn't one. There are plenty, actually, like context, form/realism, mood, goals of these games. You just chose to look at the most basic similarities and concluded that it's the same thing.
Posted October 18, 2014
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monkeydelarge: For me that song is "emo". Emo because it expresses a lot of sadness, regret etc. Other people might call it something else.
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." :)

One perk of being a non-english native speaker is that we're not "forced" to understand the lyrics when we hear an English song. Leonard Cohen could sing the yellow pages, I would only care about the melody ;)
I love listening to music where I don't have a single clue over what they're saying ^o^

http://youtu.be/3RIVIYgkaXo
http://youtu.be/xCUef_NmcP4
http://youtu.be/mkVwA__Fk9g
http://youtu.be/xu7B0mj7TyA
http://youtu.be/tlKETXiZZQ4
Posted October 18, 2014
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catpower1980: On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
The original NIN version of Hurt would have been better than the Cash cover, but I'm not that big a fan of the cover to begin with so..
Posted October 18, 2014
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catpower1980: On the power of audio and visual narratives and the impression they put on the viewer :

Just change the soundtrack of the trailer and it would almost feels like an artsy game about the meaning of violence or whatever :)
http://youtu.be/6hLZPuaXyTk
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JKHSawyer: The original NIN version of Hurt would have been better than the Cash cover, but I'm not that big a fan of the cover to begin with so..
It's well-known that metalheads are sick in the head like those who want to play this hateful game!
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