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Posted October 18, 2014
We have Carmageddon (not my genre), Postal (played some of it, found it pretty boring and repetitive after some time), Lucius (really wanted to like it but I couldn't), Harvester (liked it and it has really clever social commentary hidden there), Hitman (as tasteful as it can get on the subiect). All those allow or even encourage killing innocents. Is this one really that different?
And would I like it? I don't know. If the plot behind it is good (like, some extreme case of Falling Down) - I can give it a go, violence for the sake of violence is a pass for me. Based on protagonist's appearance I'd guess it'll be the later.
Posted October 18, 2014
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realkman666: Oh, someone is shocked. How original. Not seeing is pretty easy, isn't it?
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xa_chan: maybe...

certainly as easy as "seeing only what I want to see and ignoring fact", if I judge by your behaviour.
For some they use only the "facts" that support heir views, ignoring any actual truth to the contrary. We all do it sometimes. It's called confirmation bias. But some people REALLY need things to be true for their lives to have any meaning, and will cast insults on those who just can't open their minds and eyes enough to see the truth.

That, and it's sooo much easier to paint with a broad brush that all muslims are terrorists and all jews are greedy, stingy bastards. True, there are truths to these stereotypes, but as per the norm, there are just as many exceptions to such petty thoughts. Especially in the case of muslims. I've never met a muslim who wasn't peace-loving. I've been to the middle-east when on military duty, and I can vouch first hand I've met hundreds and befriended more than a few.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by paladin181
Posted October 18, 2014
It's ironic how some people talk about "creative freedom" regarding this title when there is nothing creative about it. It's just cheap shock tactics to sell an otherwise unremarkable game. It's not the first to do this, but this one has an added element of hate speech which makes it really nasty. This game is an example for the absolute worst aspects of gaming culture.
Posted October 18, 2014
I gotta say, this game really sparked lots of discussion about violence in video games. I applaud that, and the more I think about it, the more interesting I feel a game about just violence for the sake of violence could be. It's a great experiment and it pushes boundaries like no other.

When I first saw the trailer, I wondered if I myself could enjoy killing an "opponent" that doesn't fight back, or if I'd just get bored of that. But the devs recently confirmed that as you progress in the game, the cops escalate to SWAT, which escalates to the military.

This is interesting, and it reminds me of the first Postal even more. The game sounds like it will get brutally hard the more the player progresses through the game. Before long there won't be any civilians on the streets at all. Just men in vests with automatic weapons trying to take you down. I get the feeling by the last chunk of the game it will be one hell of a fight.

Also I'm really appreciating the dull tone of this game. The black and white, with only splashes of red and orange from street lights. It's depressing, its oppressive, and it's telling the player that these acts are not happy ones. You shouldn't be happy slaughtering people. It's cold and distant. I love it.

When you take all of that into account its funny, because despite the OP's wishes all of that makes this more of an art-game than anything. This game has touched so many people so differently. It's fascinating.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this game is handled. I hope to see it on all DD sites.

Also, the only reason I said it could damage gaming is because, again, when I first saw the trailer it shocked me how unapologetic the violence was. I'm not used to a developer displaying so much balls like that. Not for a long time now. So it made me sit down and overthink things a bit.
Posted October 18, 2014
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Garrison72: GoG needs to sell this game. In light of the recent attacks on gaming they need to demonstrate that creative freedom is alive in the industry. If they don't, then they can refuse any other game on political grounds.
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Rusty_Gunn: Agreed, As distasteful as this game may be for some. I say we need games of all types available
If you belive that, how about upvoting THIS game?
This game was so controversial for some that an entire movement was founded to attack its creator.
Posted October 18, 2014
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JKHSawyer: I gotta say, this game really sparked lots of discussion about violence in video games. I applaud that, and the more I think about it, the more interesting I feel a game about just violence for the sake of violence could be. It's a great experiment and it pushes boundaries like no other.
It's kind of new for games. In movies we had Guinea Pig series (and probably countless rip-offs) for quite some time...
Posted October 18, 2014
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Neobr10: Well, the press is calling anyone who defends ethics in gaming journalism a misogynist, so, yeah, that's how things work these days. Found someone who doesn't agree with you? Call him a racist, nazist, misogynist, homophobic and anything else you can think of. That's much easier to do than coming up with counter arguments.
I know how that works, i've been on there sadly. While i can understand someone being fooled by 'it's on paper and in the kiosk, therefore, it must bve true' idea when it comes to certain media, the source here is a tumblr blog, and i can't believe some people base their view on that without fact checking it. It's like listening to that stereotypical hobo witha tinfoil hat and accepting that.
Posted October 18, 2014
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KasperHviid: If you belive that, how about upvoting THIS game?
As a maker of this wishlist entry I say: it's good to explore boundries of gaming and both of those games have the right to exist, be played, be loved or be hated (or evoke no feelings :)). Civil discussion about them enriches all participants.
Posted October 18, 2014
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jorg11: It's ironic how some people talk about "creative freedom" regarding this title when there is nothing creative about it. It's just cheap shock tactics to sell an otherwise unremarkable game. It's not the first to do this, but this one has an added element of hate speech which makes it really nasty. This game is an example for the absolute worst aspects of gaming culture.
We've only seen one trailer.
Posted October 18, 2014
If GoG added Hatred, they would appear to be supporting Gamergate.
If GoG added Depression Quest they would appear to be supporting the resistance against Gamergate.

So my guess is that neither game will be added. EDIT: ... or both!
Post edited October 18, 2014 by KasperHviid
Posted October 18, 2014
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jorg11: It's ironic how some people talk about "creative freedom" regarding this title when there is nothing creative about it. It's just cheap shock tactics to sell an otherwise unremarkable game. It's not the first to do this, but this one has an added element of hate speech which makes it really nasty. This game is an example for the absolute worst aspects of gaming culture.
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markrichardb: We've only seen one trailer.
That doesn't show anything remotely interesting gameplay-wise, and it's all about "hey let's mass murder innocents, because that will piss off the political correctness brigade".
Posted October 18, 2014
OK, finally finished reading this thread and that left me with some kind of side-thoughts....

While I personally would enjoy this game as some kind of mindless wack-a-mole, the controversy reminded me that I've always been reluctant to play those military FPS which are set (or have stages) in Middle-Eastern countries and where you kill Arabs by dozens because they're supposed to be the evil. As most of those games were US and they echoed the real-life geopolitical situation, I always felt forced into some kind of agenda/propaganda that for me was far more dangerous than killing random people as it's apparently the case in Hatred. That reminds me that when looking for some 3D arab-themed assets on Unity store and other marketplaces a few weeks ago, I only found assets about war, soldiers, etc.... :(

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BTW, I plan to contact the devs in a few weeks (when the shitstorm will settle) to make some suggestions for their game so feel free to add your own, so I'll probably add them in my mail....

- Sandbox mode : apparently, the game is divided in 7 stages/levels but it's the kind of game I would like to play casually in 20-30 minutes sessions so a sandbox mode would be cool where everything is "mixed" on the same map/level.

- Cheats codes : for casual gamers or to test some things out

- Open to modding : ability to edit/mod maps, weapons and models in a convenient way.
Posted October 18, 2014
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Yummlick: So, just because you don't like child porn no one else should be allowed to view it, right? Amazing.
Really? Comparing a game with child porn? Are you fucking nuts? Next time you will compare Dead or Alive Xtreme Volleyball with real life rape.

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Yummlick: And difference between Hatred and Manhunt or GTA is obvious. It's called "context".
Oh, no, it's anything but obvious. Want some proof? The original version of Manhunt 2 was banned in most countries (which made Rockstar censor the fuck out of the game) while the first one wasn't. Again, where do we draw the line between what's acceptable and what isn't? And no, there is not much difference between something like Postal or Carmaggedon and this game.
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KasperHviid: If you belive that, how about upvoting THIS game?
This game was so controversial for some that an entire movement was founded to attack its creator.
You are aware that GG has nothing to do with Depression Quest itself, right?
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KasperHviid: If GoG added Hatred, they would appear to be supporting Gamergate.
If GoG added Depression Quest they would appear to be supporting the resistance against Gamergate.

So my guess is that neither game will be added. EDIT: ... or both!
It has nothing to do with GG whether they add both or not.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by Neobr10
Posted October 18, 2014
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KasperHviid: So my guess is that neither game will be added. EDIT: ... or both!
Both would be the best course of action. 'Let both sides speak for themselves' seems to be the best approach.
EDIT. And it doesn't have to be about GG. One side can be 'artistic, non-action, non-violent' and the other 'uncompromising violence'. Two extreme cases of what can be done within games.
Post edited October 18, 2014 by Novotnus
Posted October 18, 2014
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KasperHviid: If GoG added Hatred, they would appear to be supporting Gamergate.
If GoG added Depression Quest they would appear to be supporting the resistance against Gamergate.

So my guess is that neither game will be added. EDIT: ... or both!
What does Hatred have to do with GamerGate?

Also, the members decide what games they want, not GoG.
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