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KasperHviid: Please ... it's old news that all those "[something] Defence League" groups that popped up after 9/11 are right-wing extremists:
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Arteveld: That's a very broad generlization, wrapped in another broad generalization, what exactly is it supposed to prove then?
Is it wrong to form movements after 9/11? Or liking a movement that is similar [in name, or origin] to another movement is nazi by default, and if one does something, all the others are equally guilty? The f..k? Please, we're talking about PDL, and why liking them on Facebook is a declaration of being evil and nazi, not the origins of Defense League movements. Let's stick to that.

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Oh, and what makes the person liking the aforementioned movement "anti muslim".
PDL is an extreme right, nationalist, anti-immigrant, anit-muslim organisation. That much is evident just by reading what they themselves say abouth themselves on their own website. And it does not surprise me at all that someone involved in making a game like that is a supporter of such organisations. Hatred is all they understand, and all they have to offer.
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Breja: PDL is an extreme right, nationalist, anti-immigrant, anit-muslim organisation. That much is evident just by reading what they themselves say abouth themselves on their own website. And it does not surprise me at all that someone involved in making a game like that is a supporter of such organisations. Hatred is all they understand, and all they have to offer.
I visited their website, and i haven't seen any "all musilms must go"-like statements, that could classify them as 'anti muslim'. I think that is an exaggeration, they don't burn mosques, or run around with sticks chasing people. Unless You've heard of such violations, let's not get carried away here. As to being extreme right, i doubt they are, though that may depend on how You prefer to understand the word. Their anti-immigration stance is against unchecked immigration, i fail to see what's wrong with that. As for nationalism, the same, is that a crime these days? From what i gathered, the movement is not about hatred, but being 'better safe than sorry'.
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Yummlick: What are these two separate categories you're talking about? What is the difference?
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monkeydelarge: There is a huge difference. Human beings that are not fucked up inside the head are programmed to be very protective when it comes to children. In all healthy human beings, there is a father or a mother part that is very powerful. It's powerful to make sure that children don't die off from being weak and stupid. This is done to ensure that humans can keep multiplying instead of being 100% selfish(abandoning their children, tossing babies in a dumpster) and dying off. So no normal human being would be able to play a child rapist game without feeling...anger...sadness...and disgust. The child rapist game will trigger the father or mother in us. But when it comes to a game like Hatred, none of the game play has animated images that remind us of children. So it's possible(of course, I'm not talking about everyone)for people's brains to be clear of those unpleasant emotions while playing Hatred. So it's possible for people to enjoy such a game. A game like Hatred wont trigger the father or mother in us. There is another reason why a game like Hatred is different than a child rapist game. A child rapist game tries to pervert, what we humans see as pure and good... A game like Hatred does not...
Wait a second... Human beings that are not fucked up inside the head are programmed to have an empathy for each other. In all healthy human beings, there is a compassion part that is very powerful. It's powerful to make sure that we don't kill each other on regular basis. This is done to ensure that humans can keep multiplying instead of being 100% selfish (murdering their neighbours, tossing babies in a dumpster) and dying off. So no normal human being would be able to play a mass murderer game without feeling...anger...sadness...and disgust. The mass murderer game will trigger the compassion in us. When it comes to a game like Hatred, the game play has animated images that remind us of real people. So it's not possible (of course, I'm not talking about everyone) for people's brains to be clear of those unpleasant emotions while playing Hatred. So it's not possible for sane people to enjoy such a game. A game like Hatred will trigger the compassion in us. There is another reason why a game like Hatred is no different than a child rapist game. A mass murderer game tries to pervert, what we humans see as sacred and good...

See? Your argumentation boils down to this:
People would feel disturbed when playing child rapist game, because we care for real children BUT people also shouldn't feel disturbed when playing mass murderer game, because these are not real people being killed.
Where is the logic in here?
Because I feel disgusted by both concepts. Am I oversensitive? Or are you desensitized?
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monkeydelarge: There is a huge difference. Human beings that are not fucked up inside the head are programmed to be very protective when it comes to children. In all healthy human beings, there is a father or a mother part that is very powerful. It's powerful to make sure that children don't die off from being weak and stupid. This is done to ensure that humans can keep multiplying instead of being 100% selfish(abandoning their children, tossing babies in a dumpster) and dying off. So no normal human being would be able to play a child rapist game without feeling...anger...sadness...and disgust. The child rapist game will trigger the father or mother in us. But when it comes to a game like Hatred, none of the game play has animated images that remind us of children. So it's possible(of course, I'm not talking about everyone)for people's brains to be clear of those unpleasant emotions while playing Hatred. So it's possible for people to enjoy such a game. A game like Hatred wont trigger the father or mother in us. There is another reason why a game like Hatred is different than a child rapist game. A child rapist game tries to pervert, what we humans see as pure and good... A game like Hatred does not...
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Yummlick: Wait a second... Human beings that are not fucked up inside the head are programmed to have an empathy for each other. In all healthy human beings, there is a compassion part that is very powerful. It's powerful to make sure that we don't kill each other on regular basis. This is done to ensure that humans can keep multiplying instead of being 100% selfish (murdering their neighbours, tossing babies in a dumpster) and dying off. So no normal human being would be able to play a mass murderer game without feeling...anger...sadness...and disgust. The mass murderer game will trigger the compassion in us. When it comes to a game like Hatred, the game play has animated images that remind us of real people. So it's not possible (of course, I'm not talking about everyone) for people's brains to be clear of those unpleasant emotions while playing Hatred. So it's not possible for sane people to enjoy such a game. A game like Hatred will trigger the compassion in us. There is another reason why a game like Hatred is no different than a child rapist game. A mass murderer game tries to pervert, what we humans see as sacred and good...

See? Your argumentation boils down to this:
People would feel disturbed when playing child rapist game, because we care for real children BUT people also shouldn't feel disturbed when playing mass murderer game, because these are not real people being killed.
Where is the logic in here?
Because I feel disgusted by both concepts. Am I oversensitive? Or are you desensitized?
Are you oversensitive or am I desensitized? Good question. But just because someone is desensitized doesn't mean that someone is a violent psychopath who doesn't know right from wrong. And a mass murder game doesn't try to pervert what we humans see as pure and good. It just shows us death and suffering. And we are not programmed to be very protective when it comes to all other human beings. It seems if we have programmed to treat human beings who are not children, like garbage.
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@Arteveld: I have already supplied you with 4 different mainstream news sources which label the Defence Leagues as "extremists" in their headline. This was to show that this wasn't just a wierd notion of mine, but more like "common knowledge".

You're free to think that all the various sources caling the "Defence Leagues" extremists are wrong, and that your Defence League pals are innocent victims of a smear campain by the mainstream media. I don't think I can change your opinion, so I won't bother trying. I just supplied the 4 headlines in case you were uninformed about the Defence Leages and wished to see some other sources than myself defining them as extremists.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by KasperHviid
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KasperHviid: @Arteveld: I have already supplied you with 4 different mainstream news sources which label the Defence Leagues as "extremists" in their headline. This was to show that this wasn't just a wierd notion of mine, but more like "common knowledge".

You're free to think that all the various sources caling the "Defence Leagues" extremists are wrong, and that your Defence League pals are innocent victims of a smear campain by the mainstream media. I don't think I can change your opinion, so I won't bother trying. I just supplied the 4 headlines in case you were uninformed about the Defence Leages and wished to see some other sources than myself defining them as extremists.
Oh bloody Christ. You're using the word "extremism" like a skeleton key of some sort. The problem here is You're making a generization of a certain movement, and extend that generalization to anyone who happens to like their FB profile. I consider PDL to be a harmless little group of people, who see what happens in the west and don't want it to happen here. Frankly, there's nothing wrong in that. They're not hurting anyone, there are no lynch mobs, no burnings, no crucifictions. I think the histeria around them is completelly unnecessary. Also, the PDL claims they can't cooperate with EDL on political grounds, making these movements no to "samey". And they're not my pals, i don't support them actually, bad ad personam is bad. But what's important, it still does not make the dev a muslim hating neo nazi.
"harmless little group of people" ...
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Breja: PDL is an extreme right, nationalist, anti-immigrant, anit-muslim organisation. That much is evident just by reading what they themselves say abouth themselves on their own website. And it does not surprise me at all that someone involved in making a game like that is a supporter of such organisations. Hatred is all they understand, and all they have to offer.
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Arteveld: I visited their website, and i haven't seen any "all musilms must go"-like statements, that could classify them as 'anti muslim'. I think that is an exaggeration, they don't burn mosques, or run around with sticks chasing people. Unless You've heard of such violations, let's not get carried away here. As to being extreme right, i doubt they are, though that may depend on how You prefer to understand the word. Their anti-immigration stance is against unchecked immigration, i fail to see what's wrong with that. As for nationalism, the same, is that a crime these days? From what i gathered, the movement is not about hatred, but being 'better safe than sorry'.
I have neithe time nor interest in splitting hairs here with you about this. They are what they are, it's pretty obvious. Your own sympathies are rather evident, and I make it a rule not to speak with people who see nationalism as anything else than distastful. Goodbye.
Not PDL. Not the dev.
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Yummlick: So it's not possible for sane people to enjoy such a game.
World-class authority in psychology and behavioral science detected.
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Yummlick: So you wouldn't be disgusted by a game where you play as a child rapist, yes? Good for you, I guess...
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monkeydelarge: Of course I would be disgusted by such a game. You can't put a child rapist game under the same category Hatred is under. Two very different games.
Why would that disgust you? They aren't real children. Can't you separate reality from fantasy?
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Yummlick: See? Your argumentation boils down to this:
People would feel disturbed when playing child rapist game, because we care for real children BUT people also shouldn't feel disturbed when playing mass murderer game, because these are not real people being killed.
Where is the logic in here?
Because I feel disgusted by both concepts. Am I oversensitive? Or are you desensitized?
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monkeydelarge: Are you oversensitive or am I desensitized? Good question. But just because someone is desensitized doesn't mean that someone is a violent psychopath who doesn't know right from wrong. And a mass murder game doesn't try to pervert what we humans see as pure and good. It just shows us death and suffering. And we are not programmed to be very protective when it comes to all other human beings. It seems if we have programmed to treat human beings who are not children, like garbage.
First of all I'm not saying anything about potential players of Hatred apart from the fact that they may be more or less desensitized by years and years of playing/watching content full of violence. This game won't make any sane person go on a killing spree, no question about it.
However, I don't consider mass murders a good theme for creating a game around it. Just as I don't cosider child rape being such a theme. Both acts are horrible, despicable crimes and making a fun out of it feels disturbing to say the least.
I also disagree with your statement that "we treat other adults like garbage". People who does that lack empathy and can't be seen as emotionaly healthy.
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monkeydelarge: Of course I would be disgusted by such a game. You can't put a child rapist game under the same category Hatred is under. Two very different games.
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jefequeso: Why would that disgust you? They aren't real children. Can't you separate reality from fantasy?
No need to troll me.
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jefequeso: Why would that disgust you? They aren't real children. Can't you separate reality from fantasy?
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monkeydelarge: No need to troll me.
I'm not trolling, I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. Explain to me how a game about playing a child rapist is worthy of "disgust" and a game about murdering thousands of innocent civilians isn't? How I'm somehow detached from reality for being disgusted by the latter, but it's perfectly fine for you to be disgusted by the former.
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Yummlick: So it's not possible for sane people to enjoy such a game.
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realkman666: World-class authority in psychology and behavioral science detected.
I'm by no means an authority, but I do have a master degree in psychology. Since this is an Internet discussion, however, you will have to take my word for it, unfortunately. On the other hand it was not me who started with "father and mother part in humans" and "psychological limitations that prevents us from dieing off".