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Posted October 17, 2014
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jefequeso: No, I'm disgusted by the IDEA of it, and by seeing it rendered in a (mostly) realistic fashion.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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monkeydelarge: Well who isn't disgusted by the idea of innocent civilians being murdered. We are disgusted by such an idea because we find it horrible when people do not die of old age, when people suffer from the loss of loved ones and when people are in pain. But in a game, there is no death and there is no suffering. The two things that make us humans look down on violence do not exist in games. So all that remains is a piece of art that can be played and provide people with hours of fun. I still don't understand how you can find a game disgusting on that level. Maybe your brain can't separate the two. And there is nothing wrong with that. Not all of our brains, work the same way. For example, my brain can't handle math beyond Highschool level. But please don't judge those of who enjoy games like Hatred. Our brains aren't wired like yours.
So you wouldn't be disgusted by a game where you play as a child rapist, yes? Good for you, I guess...
Posted October 17, 2014
If done right this game could be a good way to blow off steam. Which is something that has been scientifically verified to actually reduce desire for actual violence. I don't know if it's my kind of game right now. But I don't see anything condemnable about it. It's just a bit more honest about itself than a lot of games are.
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: Perhaps, I must admit I'm not entirely sure about that one. But even if we ignore this one, that doesn't change the fact that the guy supports the anti-muslim hate group Polska Liga Obrony (Polish Defence League).
Well, unless You can prove that PDL is actually a 'HATE group' and is 'anti muslim' i'm afraid i'll have to call on the same argument as before. Also, i didn't know Facebook "likes" have the power of a signed declaration. Geez.
Posted October 17, 2014
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amok: I am so confused.... WHAT AM I ALLOWED TO FEEL!

Am I allowed to feel frustrated now?
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realkman666: I am just a bit unsure about feeling anything toward random animated 3D models without characterization in a video game. It's something I struggle to understand.
so you do not feel anything when playing games?
Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: I am just a bit unsure about feeling anything toward random animated 3D models without characterization in a video game. It's something I struggle to understand.
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amok: so you do not feel anything when playing games?
Yes, I do. For characters with an identity and a personality.
Posted October 17, 2014
{This is a silly discussion about a silly game}
Post edited October 18, 2014 by peacef5rog
Posted October 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Well who isn't disgusted by the idea of innocent civilians being murdered. We are disgusted by such an idea because we find it horrible when people do not die of old age, when people suffer from the loss of loved ones and when people are in pain. But in a game, there is no death and there is no suffering. The two things that make us humans look down on violence do not exist in games. So all that remains is a piece of art that can be played and provide people with hours of fun. I still don't understand how you can find a game disgusting on that level. Maybe your brain can't separate the two. And there is nothing wrong with that. Not all of our brains, work the same way. For example, my brain can't handle math beyond Highschool level. But please don't judge those of who enjoy games like Hatred. Our brains aren't wired like yours.
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Yummlick: So you wouldn't be disgusted by a game where you play as a child rapist, yes? Good for you, I guess...
Of course I would be disgusted by such a game. You can't put a child rapist game under the same category Hatred is under. Two very different games.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
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peacef5rog: The most impressive thing about this is how, by making the trailer sufficiently disgusting, the devs have distracted from how dumb and juvenile it is. I mean, that opening monologue ripped straight from a lonely fifteen-year old's trapper keeper? Their talk about gaming having become too colorful? These guys may or may not be fascists, but they are undeniably childish dipshits. I hate that we always end up talking about these things in terms of censorship instead of in terms of how shitty the game looks as a game.
When is the last time you've heard about a mass murderer or stray shooter being level-headed and mature? These people are disturbed and lack understanding of themselves and the world. Did you want a distinguished scholar who wants to punish the evils of the world because he has gained greater understanding?

This is who these people are, and you don't want to know about it. Life is not a romantic novel.
Posted October 17, 2014
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Yummlick: So you wouldn't be disgusted by a game where you play as a child rapist, yes? Good for you, I guess...
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monkeydelarge: Of course I would be disgusted by such a game. You can't put a child rapist game under the same category Hatred is under. Two very different games.
What are these two separate categories you're talking about? What is the difference?
Posted October 17, 2014
{This is a silly discussion about a silly game}
Post edited October 18, 2014 by peacef5rog
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: Perhaps, I must admit I'm not entirely sure about that one. But even if we ignore this one, that doesn't change the fact that the guy supports the anti-muslim hate group Polska Liga Obrony (Polish Defence League).
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Arteveld: Well, unless You can prove that PDL is actually a 'HATE group' and is 'anti muslim' i'm afraid i'll have to call on the same argument as before. Also, i didn't know Facebook "likes" have the power of a signed declaration. Geez.
Please ... it's old news that all those "[something] Defence League" groups that popped up after 9/11 are right-wing extremists:

independent.co.uk/: French government moves to ban <span class="podkreslenie">militant extremist right-wing</span> Jewish <span class="podkreslenie">Defence League</span>

theguardian.com: English <span class="podkreslenie">Defence League</span>: new wave of <span class="podkreslenie">extremists </span>plotting summer of unrest

channel4.com: <span class="podkreslenie">Far-right extremism</span>: who are the EDL?

birminghammail.co.uk: PICTURES: English <span class="podkreslenie">Defence League</span> <span class="podkreslenie">extremists </span>hold demonstration in Solihull town centre
Post edited October 17, 2014 by KasperHviid
Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: When is the last time you've heard about a mass murderer or stray shooter being level-headed and mature? These people are disturbed and lack understanding of themselves and the world. Did you want a distinguished scholar who wants to punish the evils of the world because he has gained greater understanding?

This is who these people are, and you don't want to know about it. Life is not a romantic novel.
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peacef5rog: I...what? I'm not saying its player-character is insufficiently sympathetic or whatever, I'm saying everything I've seen about the game is something that, from an artistic perspective, an adult should be embarrassed by. The devs appear to be on the level of angsty teenagers and they're making an artistically -- not just morally -- bankrupt game for which they deserve mockery.

And anyway, plenty of spree killers have unhinged, otherworldly manifestos. This guy's "Hate. Kill. Die. Argh." lines are plain boring. If you're going to make a disgusting game, fine. Just don't make a crap one and expect respect for it.
The trailer is almost Kimveer Gill verbatim. I don't know how you manage to know about the "devs" by so little. I really like your line about mockery, reminds me of the whole Columbine thing.
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: Please ... it's old news that all those "[something] Defence League" groups that popped up after 9/11 are right-wing extremists:
That's a very broad generlization, wrapped in another broad generalization, what exactly is it supposed to prove then?
Is it wrong to form movements after 9/11? Or liking a movement that is similar [in name, or origin] to another movement is nazi by default, and if one does something, all the others are equally guilty? The f..k? Please, we're talking about PDL, and why liking them on Facebook is a declaration of being evil and nazi, not the origins of Defense League movements. Let's stick to that.

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Oh, and what makes the person liking the aforementioned movement "anti muslim".
Post edited October 17, 2014 by Arteveld
Posted October 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Of course I would be disgusted by such a game. You can't put a child rapist game under the same category Hatred is under. Two very different games.
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Yummlick: What are these two separate categories you're talking about? What is the difference?
There is a huge difference. Human beings that are not fucked up inside the head are programmed to be very protective when it comes to children. In all healthy human beings, there is a father or a mother part that is very powerful. It's powerful to make sure that children don't die off from being weak and stupid. This is done to ensure that humans can keep multiplying instead of being 100% selfish(abandoning their children, tossing babies in a dumpster) and dying off. So no normal human being would be able to play a child rapist game without feeling...anger...sadness...and disgust. The child rapist game will trigger the father or the mother in us and then we will want to hunt down the person who made the game and hurt that person. But when it comes to a game like Hatred, none of the game play has animated images that remind us of children. So it's possible(of course, I'm not talking about everyone)for people's brains to be clear of those unpleasant emotions while playing Hatred. So it's possible for people to enjoy such a game. A game like Hatred wont trigger the father or mother in us. There is another reason why a game like Hatred is different than a child rapist game. A child rapist game tries to pervert, what we humans see as pure and good... A game like Hatred does not... So please don't put people who enjoy games like Hatred in the same category as people who would enjoy a child rapist game...
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
{This is a silly discussion about a silly game}
Post edited October 18, 2014 by peacef5rog
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