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Posted May 28, 2015
Look everone. I just want a straight answer about why this game is not being released. And it better not be because of political correctness or peer pressure because that could unleash a controversy.

Now, about Tracido, You have valid concerns, and most of what you say makes sense, but try to be more civil about it. The cancer thing was not cool, honestly I like you, but it was not cool man.

And for everyone, stop calling each other SJW, until now I have not seen an SJW on this thread, so stop the name calling and try to explain your points in a civil way.

And whoever says GOG does nto need to disclose its motives behind rejecting thegame, they are not forced to, but considering how people are dividing over it and maybe even leaving the site for it, it would be benefical for them to make a public statement.

If it was because of quality or ethical concerns we will understand and respect their decission, as well as if it was because of business reasons.
Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: Look everone. I just want a straight answer about why this game is not being released. And it better not be because of political correctness or peer pressure because that could unleash a controversy.

Now, about Tracido, You have valid concerns, and most of what you say makes sense, but try to be more civil about it. The cancer thing was not cool, honestly I like you, but it was not cool man.

And for everyone, stop calling each other SJW, until now I have not seen an SJW on this thread, so stop the name calling and try to explain your points in a civil way.

And whoever says GOG does nto need to disclose its motives behind rejecting thegame, they are not forced to, but considering how people are dividing over it and maybe even leaving the site for it, it would be benefical for them to make a public statement.

If it was because of quality or ethical concerns we will understand and respect their decission, as well as if it was because of business reasons.
Yeah man, I was only being as serious as he was about my background and upbringing. Worth is determined by value of life in many things, does one value life that does not value theirs?

Hence I returned the feeling in kind.

As the streams all showed, it ran just fine, now didn't it?
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Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: Look everone. I just want a straight answer about why this game is not being released. And it better not be because of political correctness or peer pressure because that could unleash a controversy.

Now, about Tracido, You have valid concerns, and most of what you say makes sense, but try to be more civil about it. The cancer thing was not cool, honestly I like you, but it was not cool man.

And for everyone, stop calling each other SJW, until now I have not seen an SJW on this thread, so stop the name calling and try to explain your points in a civil way.

And whoever says GOG does nto need to disclose its motives behind rejecting thegame, they are not forced to, but considering how people are dividing over it and maybe even leaving the site for it, it would be benefical for them to make a public statement.

If it was because of quality or ethical concerns we will understand and respect their decission, as well as if it was because of business reasons.
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Tracido: Yeah man, I was only being as serious as he was about my background and upbringing. Worth is determined by value of life in many things, does one value life that does not value theirs?

Hence I returned the feeling in kind.

As the streams all showed, it ran just fine, now didn't it?
Well, quality does not seem to be an issue, but we don't knwo for sure.
Posted May 28, 2015
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Vainamoinen: it's true enough that GOG already hosts similarly violent games, and proudly so.
I'm not going to take a side in the "censorship" part of the discussion, but I think breaking it down to "violent game" is an oversimplification of the matter. I'd say context and presentation matters a lot. There would be enough ground to discern between the games that GOG is already selling and how this one is presented.
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Posted May 28, 2015
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Vainamoinen: it's true enough that GOG already hosts similarly violent games, and proudly so.
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Leroux: I'm not going to take a side in the "censorship" part of the discussion, but I think breaking it down to "violent game" is an oversimplification of the matter. I'd say context and presentation matters a lot. There would be enough ground to discern between the games that GOG is already selling and how this one is presented.
As I said, I would understand, based on the context, if GOG says "Not yet, let things calm a bit" but a "We are never selling it, it is bad." Could lead to a big controversy.
Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: As I said, I would understand, based on the context, if GOG says "Not yet, let things calm a bit" but a "We are never selling it, it is bad." Could lead to a big controversy.
They can't say either of these things, obviously. The first would raised expectations they might not be able to fulfill, with the latter they would seriously risk to damage their reputation and any future options. No publisher says things like that in public. If you submitted your game to GOG and they rejected it, would you want them to badmouth it on top of it?
Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: As I said, I would understand, based on the context, if GOG says "Not yet, let things calm a bit" but a "We are never selling it, it is bad." Could lead to a big controversy.
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Leroux: They can't say either of these things, obviously. The first would raised expectations they might not be able to fulfill, with the latter they would seriously risk to damage their reputation and any future options. No publisher says things like that in public. If you submitted your game to GOG and they rejected it, would you want them to badmouth it on top of it?
I insist, we need an official statement. It is important because of the whole controversy it is creating, unlike other rejected games, the reaction to this one makes an official statement necessary.
Posted May 28, 2015
This is kind of odd, I went to his site and I'm not joking, I could have passed for him in high school. :P The major difference being was that my hair was purple and I had a nose ring.

I guess you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.
Posted May 28, 2015
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Leroux: They can't say either of these things, obviously. The first would raised expectations they might not be able to fulfill, with the latter they would seriously risk to damage their reputation and any future options. No publisher says things like that in public. If you submitted your game to GOG and they rejected it, would you want them to badmouth it on top of it?
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LeonardoCornejo: I insist, we need an official statement. It is important because of the whole controversy it is creating, unlike other rejected games, the reaction to this one makes an official statement necessary.
Hmm, Leroux has a point, but it is easy to solve. I'll directly ask the developers if they would mind a statement, might as well.

I'm just as tired of fighting as I am of not knowing things.
Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: I insist, we need an official statement. It is important because of the whole controversy it is creating, unlike other rejected games, the reaction to this one makes an official statement necessary.
Good luck with that. ;)
Posted May 28, 2015
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I find it both amusing and sad that anyone thinks GOG refusing to sell this game is "censorship."

You do realize that GOG regularly refuses to sell games, based on bizarre whims that nobody else understands, right?
Posted May 28, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: I insist, we need an official statement. It is important because of the whole controversy it is creating, unlike other rejected games, the reaction to this one makes an official statement necessary.
Assuming you like the game and sympathize with the devs -- are you nuts? Why on earth would you want GOG to make an official statement? I mean, suppose GOG is in collusion with the World Feminazi Dictatorship, do you actually expect them to say, "We are in collusion with the World Feminazi Dictatorship"? No, they'll say something subjectively negative about the game, like, "Unfortunately, it's not up to our standards". How exactly will it be helpful?
Posted May 28, 2015
If someone would be able to make this a bit more clear for me that will be great.

If GOG is refusing to sell the game due to censorship or backlash of this game, Im afraid ill have to boycot future purchases until this is amended, GOG is better than this surely.

If there is other problems like something that the Devs want (later release for some reason? ) or something that is not due this game being too hardcore for the general public, but a basic explanation of "why" Then ill continue to purchase games i dont really need.

Please let it be the latter reason.
Posted May 28, 2015
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jefequeso: I find it both amusing and sad that anyone thinks GOG refusing to sell this game is "censorship."

You do realize that GOG regularly refuses to sell games, based on bizarre whims that nobody else understands, right?
I remember when Steam used to do that too, It wasn't uncommon for devs to submit their games multiple times to Steam and be rejected every single time till some mysterious planetary alignment happened and what not then it gets accepted. SPAZ/Space Pirates and Zombies was rejected for over two years before they got accepted. Now look at Steam they went in the completely opposite direction and the place is swimming in a sea of crap and I can't be bothered to swim through and try to find the diamonds in the rough.

Which brings me to my point we either deal with curation and often weird logic behind rejections like when Xenonauts was rejected for being too high of a price for a indy game or we can go in the other direction and have another Steam, Desura, Apple App store, Google play where it's flooded with garbage and it's a chore to find the good stuff.

Honestly I can live with the occasional head scratching rejection if it means we are free from shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt_WOMUYaoc which is just a bunch of store bought unity assets plop together in a very poor controlling game

This:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3mlPJ-1xM

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOb9ADaFc-w

and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiJKehzVYP8

To name a few peices of shit on Steam now. Yes I know I linked to nothing but Jim Sterlings vids on them but I am lazy and they were the first ones to pop up.



Now personally I think a good mid ground would be if GOG rejects something then they could toss it to us or check the wishlist and how much people want it and then reconisder, maybe they already do that and the reason why Hatred was rejected was because GOG didn't agree with the Devs on certain points be it DRM, Steam keys, revenue split, price point whatever.

But to those asking for a response, don't aspect to get one outside of "it was rejected" it's just poor business practice and can lead to trouble. I still haven't forgotten the backlash that happened here when TET said that Xenonauts was rejected due to being to high of a price for a indy game.
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LeonardoCornejo: I insist, we need an official statement. It is important because of the whole controversy it is creating, unlike other rejected games, the reaction to this one makes an official statement necessary.
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Starmaker: Assuming you like the game and sympathize with the devs -- are you nuts? Why on earth would you want GOG to make an official statement? I mean, suppose GOG is in collusion with the World Feminazi Dictatorship, do you actually expect them to say, "We are in collusion with the World Feminazi Dictatorship"? No, they'll say something subjectively negative about the game, like, "Unfortunately, it's not up to our standards". How exactly will it be helpful?
Because I have faith that GOG is not coluded witht he corrupt politically correct agenda (Based on the fact that feminazis hate their games, the GamerGate thread is not deleted, and many games released here are not well liked by feminists and other politically correct groups) is that I want a public statement.
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jefequeso: I find it both amusing and sad that anyone thinks GOG refusing to sell this game is "censorship."

You do realize that GOG regularly refuses to sell games, based on bizarre whims that nobody else understands, right?
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DCT: I remember when Steam used to do that too, It wasn't uncommon for devs to submit their games multiple times to Steam and be rejected every single time till some mysterious planetary alignment happened and what not then it gets accepted. SPAZ/Space Pirates and Zombies was rejected for over two years before they got accepted. Now look at Steam they went in the completely opposite direction and the place is swimming in a sea of crap and I can't be bothered to swim through and try to find the diamonds in the rough.

Which brings me to my point we either deal with curation and often weird logic behind rejections like when Xenonauts was rejected for being too high of a price for a indy game or we can go in the other direction and have another Steam, Desura, Apple App store, Google play where it's flooded with garbage and it's a chore to find the good stuff.

Honestly I can live with the occasional head scratching rejection if it means we are free from shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt_WOMUYaoc which is just a bunch of store bought unity assets plop together in a very poor controlling game

This:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3mlPJ-1xM

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOb9ADaFc-w

and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiJKehzVYP8

To name a few peices of shit on Steam now. Yes I know I linked to nothing but Jim Sterlings vids on them but I am lazy and they were the first ones to pop up.

Now personally I think a good mid ground would be if GOG rejects something then they could toss it to us or check the wishlist and how much people want it and then reconisder, maybe they already do that and the reason why Hatred was rejected was because GOG didn't agree with the Devs on certain points be it DRM, Steam keys, revenue split, price point whatever.

But to those asking for a response, don't aspect to get one outside of "it was rejected" it's just poor business practice and can lead to trouble. I still haven't forgotten the backlash that happened here when TET said that Xenonauts was rejected due to being to high of a price for a indy game.
A half assed "We care deeply about our customers and stand against censorship, you don't have to worry about us censoring gamer or applying DRM at all" Would be enough for me.
Post edited May 28, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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