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Posted October 17, 2014
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, I understand. I can't stomach killing civilians who are pleading for their lives either.
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monkeydelarge: They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen...
Nobody's saying that they're real people. It's semi-realistic >depiction< of murdering innocent people, however. Just like recordings of ISIS executions are such depictions. If one is having any kind of "fun" while playing games or watching films like these, then there's clearly something wrong with his level of empathy.

I'd like to remind you, good people, that we can oppose the distribution of this game on GOG here: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/no_for_hatred_on_gog
Posted October 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen...
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jefequeso: Does that keep you from enjoying killing them? No. So why should it keep us from NOT enjoying killing them?
Part of not being real in any manner (including the physical) means that videogame models do not start out as people. They become people, through exceptionally good characterization and storytelling. It should take more than parading around a wax droid who can mimic a human about as well as a dog mimics a strawberry, to provoke any kind of response.
Posted October 17, 2014
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Breja: Yeah, not wanting to have fun slaughtering innocent, helpless people is a clear sign of a mental disorder ;)
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realkman666: I don't think anyone would be slaughtering innocents because they had played this game.
I mean in game.
Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: Always be weary of those who want to tell you what is acceptable or not. They are usually the ones who are a bit unstable.
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Breja: Yeah, not wanting to have fun slaughtering innocent, helpless people is a clear sign of a mental disorder ;)
As opposed to thinking that the little people on the screen are real, which is definitely a sign of sanity...
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
That's a fact? What about that 'rumors should not be thrown around' part?
Posted October 17, 2014
Sounds cool, hopefully it comes to GOG.

Why is this more controversial than GTA?
Posted October 17, 2014
This trailer did not shock me. Movies such as American Psycho did. I think there's a difference between pixelated polygons on a screen generated by some 0011000 and filmed depictions of murder. And yet those films never cause such a fuss.

Except from the whole controversial part of it the gameplay looks rather -if unoriginal- responsive and that's all I want from an isometric shooter. I don't plan on playing it but hey, now that they've done their marketing thanks to easily offended people that are going to publish tons of articles to enlighten the common folks -once again- on how video games turn you into a violent person and train you to perform violent actions why the hell not.
Posted October 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: They are not real civilians...but animated images on your screen...
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Yummlick: Nobody's saying that they're real people. It's semi-realistic >depiction< of murdering innocent people, however. Just like recordings of ISIS executions are such depictions. If one is having any kind of "fun" while playing games or watching films like these, then there's clearly something wrong with his level of empathy.

I'd like to remind you, good people, that we can oppose the distribution of this game on GOG here: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/no_for_hatred_on_gog
Not true because recordings of ISIS executions show real people being murdered(based on what you said). Video games like Hatred do not show real people being murdered. They just show an animated image murdering other animated images. Nothing more. Playing such a game will not harm one single human being on this Earth. It is all just in people's heads. This is not about empathy because a person with a healthy level of empathy doesn't feel bad seeing a robot kill another robot. Well what goes on in the game Hatred is no different than robot VS robot violence. This is about people being able to separate what is not real and what is real. And it seems a lot of people have difficulty, doing this... And your mission to prevent GOG from getting this game is nothing more than trying to deny a group of people that are different from you, hours of harmless fun.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
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jefequeso: Does that keep you from enjoying killing them? No. So why should it keep us from NOT enjoying killing them?
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markrichardb: Part of not being real in any manner (including the physical) means that videogame models do not start out as people. They become people, through exceptionally good characterization and storytelling. It should take more than parading around a wax droid who can mimic a human about as well as a dog mimics a strawberry, to provoke any kind of response.
So, I'm not allowed to be disgusted by the idea of murdering innocent civilians in a game? This is what you're telling me?
Posted October 17, 2014
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Breja: Yeah, not wanting to have fun slaughtering innocent, helpless people is a clear sign of a mental disorder ;)
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Licurg: As opposed to thinking that the little people on the screen are real, which is definitely a sign of sanity...
And have I said that I consider them real? No. I just said that questioning someones sanity because they do not enjoy playing at violent, sensless slaughter is either hypocrytical or simply stupid.

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monkeydelarge: Playing such a game will not harm one single human being on this Earth. It is all just in people's heads.
True. And some people don't want that in their heads. It's not clever, funny, insightful, creative or in any other way worthwile. It does not need to be actual people being killed for it to be digusting, just like in other games it does not need to be real people to be funny, touching or scary.

By all means, go play at being a violent psycho to your hearts content. Just stop trying to convince others they should not find it disturbing.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by Breja
Posted October 17, 2014
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Yummlick: Nobody's saying that they're real people. It's semi-realistic >depiction< of murdering innocent people, however. Just like recordings of ISIS executions are such depictions. If one is having any kind of "fun" while playing games or watching films like these, then there's clearly something wrong with his level of empathy.

I'd like to remind you, good people, that we can oppose the distribution of this game on GOG here: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/no_for_hatred_on_gog
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monkeydelarge: Not true because recordings of ISIS executions show real people being murdered(based on what you said). Video games like Hatred do not show real people being murdered. They just show an animated image murdering other animated images. Nothing more. Playing such a game will not harm one single human being on this Earth. It is all just in people's heads. This is not about empathy because a person with a healthy level of empathy doesn't feel bad seeing a robot kill another robot. Well what goes on in the game Hatred is no different than robot VS robot violence. This is about people being able to separate what is not real and what is real. And it seems a lot of people have difficulty, doing this... And your mission to prevent GOG from getting this game is nothing more than trying to deny a group of people that are different from you, hours of harmless fun.
It also goes against the tenants of free speech.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Posted October 17, 2014
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markrichardb: Part of not being real in any manner (including the physical) means that videogame models do not start out as people. They become people, through exceptionally good characterization and storytelling. It should take more than parading around a wax droid who can mimic a human about as well as a dog mimics a strawberry, to provoke any kind of response.
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jefequeso: So, I'm not allowed to be disgusted by the idea of murdering innocent civilians in a game? This is what you're telling me?
You are treating the game, not as a game but as something real. Something more than a game. It makes sense to find the game distasteful, the same way, I find certain kinds of cheese, styles of clothing and twerking, distasteful. But to be disgusted by the idea of an animated image murdering other animated images in a game, makes no sense to me unless you see the game as a part of real life(you see those animated images as real people). You should accept that it's just a game and not a part of real life because that is the truth. This Hatred game is no different than any other game that has an animated image kill other animated images... Doom....Quake...Shadow Warrior....Crysis.... Right and wrong doesn't apply to games because none of it is real...
Post edited October 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 17, 2014
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markrichardb: Part of not being real in any manner (including the physical) means that videogame models do not start out as people. They become people, through exceptionally good characterization and storytelling. It should take more than parading around a wax droid who can mimic a human about as well as a dog mimics a strawberry, to provoke any kind of response.
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jefequeso: So, I'm not allowed to be disgusted by the idea of murdering innocent civilians in a game? This is what you're telling me?
No, I’m just pointing out you’re likely disgusted by the concept rather than the reality. The reality is a bored kid stabbing a drawing of a stickman with a compass.
Posted October 17, 2014
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realkman666: What is the solid foundation?
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KasperHviid: One of the members are seen sporting a t-shirt depicting a historical anti-communist military group (Zolnierze wykleci, historically associated with the Freikorps) that is lionised by right wing extremists.

CEO and Animator Jaroslaw Zielinski is a supporter of the anti-muslim hate group Polska Liga Obrony (Polish Defence League). Also, his Facebook page features an image of skulls originating from real-life genocide.

In the beginning of the trailer, 2 newspapers are seen in the background, one with the headline "News", and 3 books is shown too, 2 of them lying open. On the table in front of him is 3 newspaper pages, one with the headline "U.S. ATTACKED". It don't look like random placement of 3D props, but more like a clue that the protagonists vengance is a result of following the news carefully and thus gaining a deep understanding of societys problems. Also, the number of black victims in the trailer is quite high.

I mentioned earlier that the developer said that they wanted to make a game that aimed for "just an entertainment" and "pure, gaming pleasure" and which "makes no excuses".

Yet in the same sentence, they says "Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question".

These two claims contradicts each others. When someone contradicts himself completely in the same sentence, he might not be completely honest about his intensions. Also, lets read the last quote again:

"Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder. We provoke this question".

This could of course be some bleeding-heart liberal attempt to empatize with mass-murderes, which are humans too, just like you and me. But I doubt that. Rather, I think try to defend the protagonist, since he is being "pushed" by following the news, and that his reaction is what can be expected from "any human being".
You're scarier than the people making the video game, and so is anyone who "understands" so much from random clues that could mean anything.
Post edited October 17, 2014 by realkman666
Posted October 17, 2014
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KasperHviid: But I think the fact that this is a genocide sim developed by a bunch of nazis is a much more important issue.
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Arteveld: That's a fact? What about that 'rumors should not be thrown around' part?
The post I critizised only said that he had heard some rumor. Which is why I tracked down the source:

"Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis
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