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Posted February 08, 2020
Vote Count

Microfish 3 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth
ConsulCaesar 3 - joppo, RWarehall, Lift
agent 2 - SirPrimalform, Joe
Lift 2 - agent, ConsulCaesar
Pooka 2 - Micro, FlockeShnee
GameRager 1 - Carradice

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - Game Rager

14 players remaining - it takes 8 to lynch.


When you see a vote count, please check that your name is against the right person. Let me know if it isn't.

5 hrs left
Posted February 08, 2020
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JoeSapphire: ^ The post I quoted is super reasonable and super LAMIST. It's the "we'll never know" that strikes me as insincere.
And isn't everybody usually queuing up to lynch pooka for scummy behaviour at this stage in the game?..
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Lifthrasil: So, because Pooka is usually an early suspect, you thought you go for an easy target? Is that it?
Also, Pooka didn't write 'we'll never know' in the bit you quoted. He wrote: 'Let us know'. So it's up to you if we get to know what else you see beyond the supposed LAMIST. Which really was more LAMISNAI.
grr. not that bit I quoted, the first bit I quoted.

I like to think that going for an easy target is not my style.


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Microfish_1: 4, yes, yes, oh most definitely YES!!!!
Trent said so himself in this or a previous game. He would bus anyone who looked scummy and as a rule votes scummy regardless of whether they are teammates or not.
aren't you the alleged scumbuddy in this hypothitcal?

unvotus AgentCarr

Azeroth Metrion Zynthos Pooka
Posted February 08, 2020
I'll bite. It's a sudden and obscure enough lynch maybe it works. Have him at neutral, but...

Unvotus Caesar
Votus Pooka
Posted February 08, 2020
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Lifthrasil: Why GR? Why try to start a new train this close to the deadline? It's most likely not going to go anywhere. Do you really not agree / feel comfortable with any of the viable trains?
If 'the viable trains' are @Agent and @Micro, just NO. Then, @ConsulCaesar has his D1 bulla. Lynching him looks ugly, after hearing what people had to say about that. Not going to do something ugly, sorry.

So, no, not feeling comfortable with any of the trains, yours included.

When you do not know the people from previous games, you are down to logic and language analysis. With these limitations, the best suspects, from a personal point of view, are @GR and @yogs. The suspicion is offered 'as is'. Not putting too much weight on it, but surely it rings truer than with everyone else. Subscribing every iota of @Flocke's #500 post, here.

Still, people trying to use their wits to win the game make more sense than people saying they have a gut feeling and that's it. Or just using memories of past games... that often come to mind selectively to support bias.... Past experience is useful until it becomes abused. The MafiaScum wiki seems to agree with this. We are playing Mafia #64. People looking for blatant logical fallacies, people doing posts analysis, people breadcrumbing for the future... That is something.

But that is just a point of view. Also it seems there is a significant component of social engineering that apparently may outshine deduction... Which might lead to Town stumbling like a drunkyard in the dark.

Opinions on the game evolving and taking shape over time.



And, still wondering why people were that persnickety about @agent's infamous 'anti-Town' play but the same does not seem to apply generally.

Might vote for each of the two, if that makes people happier. *Shrugs*


BTW, a rather healthy #502 post by @Microfish_1.

No reads at all about @Pooka, though. Pooka's posts seemed to be correct, mostly.
Posted February 08, 2020
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ZFR: Vote Count

Microfish 3 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth
ConsulCaesar 3 - joppo, RWarehall, Lift
agent 2 - SirPrimalform, Joe
Lift 2 - agent, ConsulCaesar
Pooka 2 - Micro, FlockeShnee
GameRager 1 - Carradice

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - GameRager

14 players remaining - it takes 8 to lynch.

When you see a vote count, please check that your name is against the right person. Let me know if it isn't.

5 hrs left
Dammit, we're not getting a lynch are we. Guess we get to prove to our no-lynch party just why it does literally nothing for Town.

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RWarehall: I'll bite. It's a sudden and obscure enough lynch maybe it works. Have him at neutral, but...
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RWarehall: Micro just had 1 a short time ago. In 8 hours he went from 1 vote to 5.
Wait.

You were wary because Micro went from 1 vote to 5 votes in 8 hours. Less than 12 hours later, you are pushing to get a wagon from 2 votes to 8 votes in 4 hours.

Scum.
Posted February 08, 2020
Vote Count

Pooka 4 - Micro, FlockeShnee, Joe, RWarehall
Microfish 3 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth
ConsulCaesar 2 - joppo, Lift
Lift 2 - agent, ConsulCaesar
agent 1 - SirPrimalform
GameRager 1 - Carradice

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - Game Rager

14 players remaining - it takes 8 to lynch.

When you see a vote count, please check that your name is against the right person. Let me know if it isn't.

3 hrs left
Posted February 08, 2020
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agentcarr16: Wait.

You were wary because Micro went from 1 vote to 5 votes in 8 hours. Less than 12 hours later, you are pushing to get a wagon from 2 votes to 8 votes in 4 hours.

Scum.
I want to see a lynch, you don't seem to...
Scum.

See how that works...

The only people I feel I've cleared for Day 1 are Micro, Lift, GameRager and Flocke. I'll re-evaluate tomorrow. I have no problems with a think out of the box kamikaze lynch to see who flinches as Pooka's name seems to be on a number of lists. Too many people seem to have reservations about voting Caesar because he's new.

Who does that leave if we drop the new players?
Agent
Trent
Yogsloth
Joe
Pooka
SPF

And frankly, I'd love to lynch any of those names or Caesar ahead of you, for what that's worth. Yogs is Yogs. Trent is hard to read and Joe/Pooka/SPF are just flying under my radar enough I forget they are in the game.
Posted February 08, 2020
Guys, you surely have been busy during (my) night and Saturday morning.

My suspicion stays on Lift. However, it is clear not enough people are going to follow, so in order to avoid a no-lynch I'd have to change my vote.

My second option was agent, but after his claim (which at the moment is impossible to counter-claim or cross-check) I don't see enough to go for him.

I'm obviously not going to vote for me (is that even allowed?)

So that takes us to the new pair of interest, Pooka vs Micro. I will choose Micro based on his claim that he can prove himself town... Well, let's hear it.

Unvotus Lift

Votus Micro
Posted February 08, 2020
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Carradice: @joppo, @Flocke, any second option?
Hmmm I said earlier that I would switch to Agent if needed to avoid a nolynch, despite not being that sure of his scumminess. I actually think nailing Microfish has a better chance of hitting scum.
My list of scumminess goes:
Caesar, Microfish: first tier, although I am reevaluating Micro due to #491-#493. There might not be time tho so I think we'll end up lynching Micro anyway.
Agent, Yogsloth, Trent: there must be something among them, will keep watching but so far would only vote to avoid NL.

GameRager: Feels a bit off, but he's really hard to read. No surprise he was regularly lynched every game. I suspect him somewhat but lots of small things he does that would be picked as scummy if done by anyone else just look normal due to his playstyle. Lost a lot of townpoints due to going Nolynch early, recovered a few after changing stances today.

Pooka: I am still learning to read her(him?). Either brazen scum or a focused town. Leaning on Lift earlier today seemed suspicious. I will wait to see what happens with Microfish, if he's right we'll have reasons to push Pooka to Top of the list

Joe: could be a lurker scum trying to just coast by while town attack each other but it's unlikely due to what little I remember of his playstyle in previous games. So I rate him as neutral with a slight bit of scumminess because of voting Pooka with no explanation other than a "hmmmm..."

Carradice: very strongly leaning for either side. Currently appears town but if Scum could be a very skilled one.

SirPrimalform: At moments I thought scum, mainly when talking with Trent. But nothing solid so far and later posts were more town like when prodding Caesar. I will keep watch until proven Townie.

FlockeShnee: More likely town than scum, haven't posted much but who am I to blame him for that? When posting there was actual effort shown. I am not convinced his "secret code" theory has much basis but on the other hand two of the players pointed are high in my scum list (He might be good with instincts even if his analysis misses).

Lift: tunneled hard, but appeared Town to me. He doesn't apear to be entirely in control which fits with a Town!Lift since he said in another game that he feels much more relaxed when playing as scum. Won't simply ignore him, but I have no scumreads yet.

RWarehall: won't simply follow the crowd, which is good if we are to find the scum who blend the most. I have some reservations, but can't point any actual scumminess

Joppo: Top tier AAA townie of course, 10/10 would unvote again (if I had voted and unvoted myself).

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TL;DR: would vote for Caesar most, Micro possibly. But is seems there isn't much time for anything else if we are to avoid the dreaded NL

Caught up until #494 so far, will read the rest and be online as much as possible so I'm confident I can change my vote in the nick of time if we need it and oh crap time is running out just a few more hours and we don't have a lynch
Posted February 08, 2020
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RWarehall: Is there anyone knowledgeable enough about Lee Jordan and Harry Potter to tell me if Neighboriser makes sense for the character? I can maybe see some loose connections kinda sorta but not really from the Harry Potter Wiki. Makes me wonder if the name is fake but the role correct.
Sort of. He is very popular in the school and comments on the microphone in Quidditch games. So, yes, why not.
Posted February 08, 2020
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RWarehall: The only people I feel I've cleared for Day 1 are Micro, Lift, GameRager and Flocke. I'll re-evaluate tomorrow. I have no problems with a think out of the box kamikaze lynch to see who flinches as Pooka's name seems to be on a number of lists. Too many people seem to have reservations about voting Caesar because he's new.
Yes, offender here. And probably have to apologize for the change of mind. He seemed the best option, but, after paying attention to some people commenting on the importance of this courtesy rule, it seemed the way to go. Apologies for the inconvenience.

The next suspect, on the grounds of fishing, was @Micro, but not that sure about it, and his last posts seemed solid. Still, it might be nice that someone knowledgeable about HP took a look at the key words he mentioned and see if something can be made out of them. It would be great if we might avoid having a festival of claims.

Also, his claim seems OK.... if you have to fill a list of 8-10 Gryffindor, who would you write down, just out from your memory? You probably need to get to rather secondary characters in order to fill that list. But surely it carries less poise than more prominent roles. *Shrugs.*

BTW, you gave the opinion that the fishing was 'bogus'... by that logic, voting for @Micro results impossible. Then, @agent calls you scum. What a day.

So, after trying to help out to get a lynch, both top suspects are untouchable today... No other way, then, that going further down to the next two suspects in the list. That's pretty much it. Out of ideas for today. Guess what every Town is doing something like this in order to provide more options.

Wondering also if we are expecting too much of D1 suspicions?

@joppo Thanks for offering #519. Nice read on @joppo :D
Posted February 08, 2020
Vote Count

Pooka 4 - Micro, FlockeShnee, Joe, RWarehall
Microfish 4 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth, ConsulCaesar
ConsulCaesar 2 - joppo, Lift
Lift 1 - agent
agent 1 - SirPrimalform
GameRager 1 - Carradice

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - Game Rager

14 players remaining - it takes 8 to lynch.

When you see a vote count, please check that your name is against the right person. Let me know if it isn't.

2 hrs left
Posted February 08, 2020
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Carradice: Also, his claim seems OK.... if you have to fill a list of 8-10 Gryffindor, who would you write down, just out from your memory? You probably need to get to rather secondary characters in order to fill that list. But surely it carries less poise than more prominent roles. *Shrugs.*
I highly doubt it's 8-10 Gryffindor. It's been established from the OP that it's 3 Houses against 1. Just because there are fewer prominent names in Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff, I would think at least 2 of each. If I had to guess, 4 Gryffindor and 3 of the other 2 Houses. Hence why I'm concerned over that name. The other 4, just a guess, 3 Slytherin, and 1 malevolent 3rd party, maybe a Muggle who hates Wizards.

That said, Agent's claim fixes him in place. If he's caught leaving his room, he's swimming with the fishes. Tonight he will also have to Neighborise someone (assuming the role is true) even if scum. If he were to flip 3rd party, it would make a few people's clear Town reads come into question, but I wouldn't might thinning that Neutral (and hard for me to read) pile of mine.
Posted February 08, 2020
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Microfish_1: ... Please--speaking from my personal experience--no matter what you feel like after this game ...
Please don't try to pocket me? :-) I'm not sure I'm fit for games like this. Too many variables and I have the habit to completely forget and overlook important things.

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Lifthrasil: This was an awfully quick flip-flop. Sorry by the way for missing your vote early in the game. U searched from your big revelation downwards. But this one really looks wrong. You go from 'my top pics are Micro and Lift' to me and Micro just being distractions and your top pics reverting back to trent, yogs and Pooka. Without any explanation for the change.

So, please explain what changed in those 30 minutes to alter micro and me from top-pic to distraction.
? ?? ??? ZFR posts a vote count every once in a while ...
I could never take my eyes of yogsloth and trentonlf, but I realized I forgot some things and overlooked others. So I took a step back to see more clearly. I don't like the possibilities I'm seeing. Most of all, I don't like inadvertantly playing into the hand of the wrong team. And I want to know what Pooka flips. It's a mystery I'd like solved. I really hope it's the right choice ...
Posted February 08, 2020
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RWarehall: I highly doubt it's 8-10 Gryffindor. It's been established from the OP that it's 3 Houses against 1. Just because there are fewer prominent names in Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff, I would think at least 2 of each. If I had to guess, 4 Gryffindor and 3 of the other 2 Houses. Hence why I'm concerned over that name. The other 4, just a guess, 3 Slytherin, and 1 malevolent 3rd party, maybe a Muggle who hates Wizards.
That's an opinion and a mutilated paraphrasing of:

It might look like it's one against three, but in reality we know that after all only Gryffindor really matters.

No explanation at all in that theory for the second sentence.

A different take on that is in post #266, point one. We will see. Ready to hear any theory that makes sense, not one that requires clipping the original text in order to may it say what it does not.

Also, not happy at all with having a true name already revealed.


In any case, @Agent's latest statements ring truer than the theory that he is Scum.


About the third party mentioned, that does not fit well with Hogwarts at all.
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