trentonlf: Why ask this? Keep PM information to yourself. Names have no bearing on how someone is acting or reacting in the game. Trying to fish for PM information is a
HUGE no no, and in my eyes something scum would do.
I agree it was slightly suspicious, and am watching him a tiny bit for that, but how would it harm town for anyone to know if player's names were from the HP universe? It's not like he asked for said names to be listed, and a simple yes/no to such doesn't reveal much that could be used by scum.
To me, his asking(at least that bit you snipped) seemed to be harmless/near harmless by itself.
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ConsulCaesar: I think we cross-posted. If I were a cop or roleblocker I'd go for Lift (if it wasn't obvious from my previous posts), with agent as a second option (if only to finish the controversy). I see yog more likely to be superzealous self-appointed town leader who wants to solve the setup on Day 1 than scum, so I wouldn't pick him as target for the time being.
Yeah, I was thinking our cop(if we have one) should investigate either Lift or Agent to clear up if they are an ally or a scum to go after myself.
Atm i'm leaning towards voting dumbledore, if just a bit, so that we could avoid lynching anyone who is town but playing controversially and allow any possible cop to investigate one of them.....but then I might also vote one of the two just to knock one off the list of suspicious players so any cop only has to do a check on one of them......decisions, decisions.
Re my voting ideas above: Which way do you think I and others should go? Lynch one of the 2 above or nolynch and let any potential cop check one of them out first? ConsulCaesar: I actually like name claiming in flavor-heavy games, when they come with a full claim.
And I think it's better for anyone who claims to claim as little as needed to/possible....but to each their own.
ConsulCaesar: Mine does, but ZFR mentioned in the sign up post that you didn't know to have previous HP knowledge, so I guess he will have given safeclaims to Slytherine.
True, still anyone can google/etc the name they were given and check into it so most could easily verify if their name was within the HP verse quite easily, I think.
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Lifthrasil: This is nonsense. That post clearly states that it is three houses against Slytherin. If you were actually Town, you would also know that it is all houses together against Slytherin. Our task is quite clearly NOT to compete against other houses, but we all have the joint task of defeating Slytherin.
The fact that you don't know this makes it very likely that you are scum. Probably you see Gryffindor as your opponent and disregard the other houses in typical Slytherin fashion. Frankly, I don't see any way how you can be from any Town-house and not know that you're in league with the other two Town-houses. And this statement by you really doesn't read like a joke anymore. So I recon it's a genuine slip.
To play "devil's advocate" a bit, agent might be one of those types who focuses on wording of fluff/additional/flavor text a bit too much.....or he could be a scum as you seem to think.
At this point I am leaning towards us lynching either him or you(for various reasons I have noted prior to this) and then investigating the other, or nolynch and investigating one(which would at least give us the alignment of at least one of the tow of you while allowing us to keep both of you alive if you are both town).
Which do you think is the best route to go, if I may ask? Lifthrasil: That is usually wrong. If someone asks out of the blue: 'which PR do you have' - the ONLY valid play is to answer 'won't say'. Anyone who goes role-fishing in this way will be much more suspect than a player refusing to answer to such an obviously scummy question. So in most situation refusing to claim is Town-play. Independent of whether you have a PR or not. Even if you are Vanilla, you don't want scum to know that. Because it would narrow their target pool and increase their chances of hitting a PR.
Thing is, if town always followed that mantra(especially town PRs) one's fellow town would likely suspect that town PR of being scum(for refusing to claim) and it's likely scum would know to target them(because why would a vanilla need to hide the fact[besides the reason you gave, that is] in the minds of scum reading their posts?).
Lifthrasil: The only situations where claiming is expected and where not claiming may be read as suspicious are: when you are at L-1 (where a claim of 'vanilla' usually won't save you) or when the majority agreed to a mass-claim. In those cases you should claim truthfully. Otherwise you create more problems for Town than you solve with your lie. There are very rare exceptions. Like when there is only one Night of the game left one way or the other and it is 'lie or lose'. Or if you are 100% cleared Town anyhow, so that a lie won't lead to your lynch. But as I said, those situations are very rare. Usually the games go best for Town if everyone adheres to the 'never lie, ever' tenet. Scum will try to follow that tenet too. But they don't have the choice. At some point they will have to lie which can lead to their downfall, as long as Town adamantly doesn't lie.
I agree town lying should be rare, but scum lying leading to their downfall would only help catch scum if we caught them in a lie.....if not then(to us town) it'd be just like they told the truth(if we didn't know they lied).
Lifthrasil: And ONLY if they come with a full claim. Names should remain secret until it is time to do a full claim.
I disagree on both, on a personal level.....the former because I think town should reveal as little as possible(usually), and the latter because sometimes I think players should play for fun/as they want to more than solely to win. Yeah, bad town play, but it's my general philosophy in such games....fun comes first, winning is still important but second.
Lifthrasil: Interesting that you feel the need to point this out. Painting a target on Carradice's back, if he isn't scum.
I really don't like these last posts by Consul and they put him on the 'leaning scum' side.
That being said, it is interesting that Carradice missed that it's 'three against one' too. That either makes agent't case a bit less clear cut, as it seems to be possible to miss that fact. Or Carradice is Slytherin too. But that wouldn't fit his play so far.
Note though, that his posting such somewhat defended myself and other town with non-gryffindor houses....to me a scum wouldn't try to support other house being town and would likely try to cast more shade on them and get someone from them lynched/suspected. Lifthrasil: That being said, agent using such a flimsy (and false) reason to vote for GR still is a scummy move. So my vote stays.
Other observations: Pooka is either dense or scummy. Repeatedly missing a simple logic correlation isn't like him and either means he dropped the ball or has a motive for keeping to beat that dead horse.
Yogsloth actually does appear more aggressive/confrontative than I remember him. Evolution of play-style? Or is he scum? Something is off with him.
So these two I would vote for too.
Then there is the issue between trent and SPF. Both make valid observations about each other. I get the feeling that one of them is actually right and the other is skillfully defending. I.e. that one of them is scum. But so far it's only a feeling and I'm not sure yet which is which. Of course, Town on Town conflict is also possible as is a distancing play. But as I said, it's a feeling that we have a genuine faction conflict here.
Also holy finger pointing, british batman! You seem to be suspecting(to varying degrees the following in this post: Carradice, Pooka, ConsulCaesar, Agent & either Trent or SPF(did I miss someone or is that everyone you mentioned?).
Why suspecting so many? Diligent town(as I suspect more), or scum trying to cast shade on as many as possible?
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ZFR: To clarify:
The sign-up note was written so as not to discourage new players who might feel you had to have read the books (or watched the movies) in order to play.
I certainly had zero knowledge about Supernatural, or about kitsne, and yet played in trent's game.
Do you *need* Harry Potter knowledge in order to participate? No.
Does it help to have Harry Potter knowledge? Bacon? Brown? Pass? ;D
(J/K....I am guessing yes, as it makes one able to play more flavor/etc in the verse the game is set in, for starters)
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Also to all: I only read up till this post.....though I have seen a bit ahead......will read more and reply more(and contemplate my vote a bit if need be) in a bit. (@OP: The above bolded bit is not a vote/unvote on anyone)
