PookaMustard: setting up Agent's joke claim as something damning, framing him as either scum or lying
*sigh* you still don't get it, do you? There is no framing. That was a simple statement of logical facts. Agent was either lying in that post or he is scum. Or both. There is no possible way how he can be truthful and Town at the same time with that statement. If you disagree, please explain how someone who claims scum can be town without having lied.
agentcarr16: You claimed a house other than Gryffindor and
we know that after all only Gryffindor really matters. I'm not sure that that phrase means non-Gryffindor is non-Town, but I think it's a good guess.
This is nonsense. That post clearly states that it is three houses against Slytherin. If you were actually Town, you would also know that it is all houses together against Slytherin. Our task is quite clearly NOT to compete against other houses, but we all have the joint task of defeating Slytherin.
The fact that you don't know this makes it very likely that you are scum. Probably you see Gryffindor as your opponent and disregard the other houses in typical Slytherin fashion. Frankly, I don't see any way how you can be from any Town-house and not know that you're in league with the other two Town-houses. And this statement by you really doesn't read like a joke anymore. So I recon it's a genuine slip.
secumsempra agentcarr GameRager: That's why I advocate any town PRs(if asked by other town or scum) to claim vanilla to protect their PR unless they needed to reveal it at that moment to give an even better benefit to town or save their skin.
Yes, Lift said PRs should refuse to claim, but other town would likely use that to suspect them even more.
That is usually wrong. If someone asks out of the blue: 'which PR do you have' - the ONLY valid play is to answer 'won't say'. Anyone who goes role-fishing in this way will be much more suspect than a player refusing to answer to such an obviously scummy question. So in most situation refusing to claim is Town-play. Independent of whether you have a PR or not. Even if you are Vanilla, you don't want scum to know that. Because it would narrow their target pool and increase their chances of hitting a PR.
The only situations where claiming is expected and where not claiming may be read as suspicious are: when you are at L-1 (where a claim of 'vanilla' usually won't save you) or when the majority agreed to a mass-claim. In those cases you should claim truthfully. Otherwise you create more problems for Town than you solve with your lie. There are very rare exceptions. Like when there is only one Night of the game left one way or the other and it is 'lie or lose'. Or if you are 100% cleared Town anyhow, so that a lie won't lead to your lynch. But as I said, those situations are very rare. Usually the games go best for Town if everyone adheres to the 'never lie, ever' tenet. Scum will try to follow that tenet too. But they don't have the choice. At some point they will have to lie which can lead to their downfall, as long as Town adamantly doesn't lie.
ConsulCaesar: I actually like name claiming in flavor-heavy games, when they come with a full claim.
And ONLY if they come with a full claim. Names should remain secret until it is time to do a full claim.
ConsulCaesar: Mine does, but ZFR mentioned in the sign up post that you didn't know to have previous HP knowledge, so I guess he will have given safeclaims to Slytherine.
Oh, did he now?
ConsulCaesar: No ambiguity in Dumbledore's speech: it's all three other Houses combined in a team vs Slytherine. You must clearly be either Gryffindor or Slytherine if you missed that. Which is like saying you're 50%-50% town or scum (that is, nothing). What it does tell me is that you probably have some kind of special ability, if you belong to either the "cool" or the "evil" house.
Interesting that you feel the need to point this out. Painting a target on Carradice's back, if he isn't scum.
I really don't like these last posts by Consul and they put him on the 'leaning scum' side.
That being said, it is interesting that Carradice missed that it's 'three against one' too. That either makes agent't case a bit less clear cut, as it seems to be possible to miss that fact. Or Carradice is Slytherin too. But that wouldn't fit his play so far.
That being said, agent using such a flimsy (and false) reason to vote for GR still is a scummy move. So my vote stays.
Other observations: Pooka is either dense or scummy. Repeatedly missing a simple logic correlation isn't like him and either means he dropped the ball or has a motive for keeping to beat that dead horse.
Yogsloth actually does appear more aggressive/confrontative than I remember him. Evolution of play-style? Or is he scum? Something is off with him.
So these two I would vote for too.
Then there is the issue between trent and SPF. Both make valid observations about each other. I get the feeling that one of them is actually right and the other is skillfully defending. I.e. that one of them is scum. But so far it's only a feeling and I'm not sure yet which is which. Of course, Town on Town conflict is also possible as is a distancing play. But as I said, it's a feeling that we have a genuine faction conflict here.
