TBh it was Yog's making his claim D1 and his pushing for Micro's lynch so much that made me suspect him....else i'd likely have gone after someone else(for lynch and to use my power on). If he'd been a tad more subtle he might have helped scum win this game.

Maybe, but who knows.....without me coming out he might've swayed everyone to vote someone else....who knows.

Yup....I felt it better to have cleared town to hunt scum rather than do so myself(which I often mess up).

The point of this is showing how their play lines outed them, not town powers. Powers were used more effectively because of scum play lines, instead of them being discovered by town powers. When the first (and last) investigative shot hit scum, SPF was already knocked out and Yogs had already been blocked and charges were already written against him.

Of course he might have fought on... But the offensive was planned with care: Think MacArthur planning the invasion of Japan and then being surprised by The Bomb.

There were already four others who openly suspected Yogsloth. Then that bone would have been gnawed restlessly from the beginning to the end of the Day. It would have been Delenda est Cartago in every post. Flockes's flip weakened Yogs position (he started FLocke's bandwagon in speech and vote), too. If everything failed and people had tried to lynch someone other than SPF or Yogs, the card of explaining the lack of NK might have been played. SPF's demise simplified things as the effort had to focus only on one. The timing and the content of that long post was also intended for maximum impact and influencing the narrative early on D3. Also, SPF's fate had weakened the spirits in Scum team, leaving them more vulnerablet. But yes, for sure it might have been a fight instead of simply conceding.


@ZFR: Thanks for the clarification. Having two NK on N1 with no-lynch might have been hard on Town.


Also, something that the Werewolves underplayed: we were wondering about a hypotetical N0 and they had a night and day Scum chat. Holy Potatoes. That was powerful and it has been barely mentioned. Plus the speak-from-the-grave thing. Really with a great potential impact and very novice-friendly (also, if Scum3 had listened more to the veterans, things might have been different in the endgame, but morale and the suspect of Town having an investigative arsenal that was not there caused said mistakes). A great advantage and it has been barely mentioned when discussing balance.

I don't think it's as powerful as you make out. It allowed coaching in this particular instance, but if Joppo had been an experienced player I think the impact of the Night/Day/Dead chat would have been minimal. I have to say though, I did enjoy still being able to engage with the game after dying.
I don't normally follow all that closely after I die regardless of alignment because nothing I think/say/do can affect the outcome and I'm not really one for spectating (don't get the appeal of sports, let's plays etc.).

However you could coordinate in real time during the Day, instead of just planning from Night to Night. That was the greatest advantage. Agreed that the talk beyond the grave was good for guidance and morale, but less important compared to the Day talk.

I got that....I was just musing/etc.

Yup

Good points

As for Micro, I almost was going to investigate him but then changed my mind as I found it a dumb idea.....good thing I didn't do that, eh? :)

Is it not in the OP notes thread linked by ZFR a bit earlier?

He protected GameRager

The Day Chat was more useful that talk-after-dying Chat. The latter, like the change to Innocent Child and Miller, was put more to make things interesting than to give Mafia a tangible advantage.

I wasn't feeling much of an advantage from the daychat TBH. I think during the day the mafia should be moving independently anyway. Perhaps I'm just not seeing the potential due to my lack of experience in using it.

Do you mean Day 3? I genuinely wasn't trying to get you lynched! I voting for Pooka the whole time - It was never my intention to sow suspicion among the confirmed players, I just had a few thoughts that I thought worth asking you about.

When I thought about it, it was pretty clear that you were confirmed, (barring third-party godfathers which I didn't want to get people thinking about) but answering my questions would have helped me realise that a bit sooner. As it is, I felt you were overreacting to the smallest amount of suspicion, which could have been seen as a scum tell. In hindsight it would have been better tactically to ignore you, but then I wouldn't have been forced to false claim, which was a lot of fun, so.

1 - the 'conditional' qualifier to my role meant I couldn't kill unless I hadn't killed the previous Night (I'd taken out Parvati Patil Night 0 which was the reason why I couldn't kill Night 1)
If I'd stuck to my guns and held off my Night 4 kill a night or two, I'd have drawn a lot less attention to myself.

2 - The confusion was exactly what I said it was the whole time - I didn't know what he meant, and I wanted to know what he meant.
Now I understand that he had rolecopped gamerager and assumed he was One-Shot I can understand his response better. 'Panic' was my own fanciful description which doesn't really describe how I felt - but Lifthrasil made as much as he could out of it.
Ooh... I just remembered that bit where he said "If you want to lynch me based on semantics..." darn Lifthrasil, that really ground my gills...

3 - I was never all that confident I'd make it to the end of the game, so my main objective was to have fun.
I was scumhunting in earnest for a lot of the game (until Lifthrasil consumed all my attention - he's right when he says I wasn't too concerned whether he was mafia or not)
After Day 3 my goal was to keep the mafia alive for a little while to do some kills for me, then once they got lynched picking up the kills to try and make it look like a 4-mafia game.
Then Night 4 happened and I just gave up on all my plans and went nuts. Ah well.

Thanks! I was half-hoping I'd get counterclaimed because it would have been hilarious. Especially after the righteously- indignant tone of my claim, and a few people backing down apologetically. It would have been great to go:

Joe: How dare you even CONSIDER voting for me? I killed SirP! I'm Fred and George Weasely
Three People: Oh no! Oh dear, sorry Joe. We've made a terrible terrible mistake.
Joe: Darn right! You should feel bad!
One Person: Hang on, I'm Fred Weasely and you're a liar!
Joe: WHOOPS!

Ah well, hopefully another time eh?

Or let's put it in better words. Every role had limited shots of something, regardless of the logic behind them. Miller with unlimited Town-Investigation is a vanilla, but Miller with 1-Shot Town Investigation is a Limited Shot Role. The bodyguard could only defend once before dying. JOAT Carradice had a certain number of shots. Look around, and you will see that everyone was limited in one way or another. The fact was, where we stood on the battleground, roles were limited either by nature or intentionally, and while we were hunting for the last scum (or in my case, being completely unaware that using a power on myself = "visiting" myself), the unlimited shot tracker was a very odd one out.

Even then, the Mafia revealed role was limited shot too.
If Town is red and Mafia is red, then someone claiming he's blue might stand out, but still it's not right to assume he's Mafia based on that.

Especially since if we go by your definition, then Town had an "non-limited" role too: Innocent Child.

Limited Innocent Child: Confirmation gets rescinded the next day. :P

That is correct/now I remember.

(bad memory sucks sometimes, and combined with worry over the world situation[causing my mind to wander] it can be even more daunting)

Now THAT would be a bastard role. Thanks for the idea! ;-)