You're too kind, but nah I clearly played badly here. Joppo saved the day (as much as was realistically possible :P).

Thanks for the game again. It was confusing, but also fun.

@all: I wasn't mad/sour/frustrated/whatever, but thoroughly confused and just glad I got put out of my misery. I realized too late, that it was a mistake to just try to play it without observing first to get an understanding of the mechanics and stuff. Also I only have spare free time, so that made it even worse. I'm sorry about that.
It still was fun. So thanks for that.

I saw things that weren't there. My first post in the observer thread summs it up pretty much.

Making things up that aren't there is a valuable skill? :-P First time a get to hear something like this. You are too kind. :-)

You certainly gave my brain lots of bad ideas to run away with. :-D It was fun, at least for me. Not your fault it also made me feel overwhelmed. My brain just hates me sometimes.

This time it wasn't there, and knowledge about game mechanics and how things generally flow would've told you that. But similar things very much can be there, and can be very significant. Noticing breadcrumbs from town PRs can be greatly beneficial to scum, and scum frequently slips up with tiny inconsistencies, so a town player who notices those is an incredible boon.

In lieu of observing a game first (which I agree would've been beneficial to do), it can also work to just read a few previously finished mafia games (see a list here). You'll miss some information about timing, but will still get a good sense about the general flow.

Thank you all and especially the host ZFR for the chance to play this game. It was a very different experience from the last time I played mafia, albeit a fun one.

That seems more than fair(you WILL still watch from the sidelines and cheer us on, I hope?).

As for me....i'll likely get roped in AGAIN.....eh, I have nothing much else to do anyways.
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Aside: And with the world as it is atm, I am expecting we'll have a bunch more people to join in for the next few games. o.0
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If your job makes you work from home now(sadly, due to covid) you could spend some more time with us next game or the one after...etc.....just a thought. :)

Hooray!

Fun game! :D

Yeah, you guys had some poor luck. Glad you still had fun!


/high fives, low fives, side-to-side, back-to-back, belly-bump-jump, whoo!


Ooooh you really boiled my potatoes with that 'drop the ball' comment. My biggest disappointment of the game is ONCE AGAIN failing to get lifthrasil lynched. Ah well. I'm sure I'll manage it in game #65...


Ah I felt really bad for being part of your lynch! If I hadn't been away for the time I would have unvoted and perhaps things would have gone differently - still, I think your flip made Yogsloth look bad, which might have contributed to the Night 2 events and got him caught, so there's that!

I hope you do play with us again! My brain has got me into some dire situations in mafia games before, but that's the fun of it!


Good game! Well done on your universally-scumread-for-no-reason status! It is a much-coveted title :)

Finding the cop on N1 and then not trying to kill him on N2 isn't bad luck. ;)
There was a point where we thought it might be a good idea to keep you around for a bit longer to get Lift lynched etc., but I think your fate was pretty pretty much sealed once you claimed for realz.

Coveted? I get similar in near every game. ;)

After Carradice's hints that it wasn't you who stopped the N3 mafia kill we figured you got spooked and thought he was going to out you as a fraud or somesuch.

I'm assuming you were actually trying to hit scum when you NK me. Were you giving the scumhunting a rest because it would take ages for you to NK everyone by yourself?

Hmm, I don't follow. That immunity shot didn't help you at all. In fact it almost worked against you when you decided to amend your claim to say you had that shot. If I were you I just wouldn't say I had that immunity shot.

It would have helped you if you had picked up on my lie like ZFR said, but that can't be what you were saying, is it? You wrote this before ZFR revealed how you could end the game earlier.

I'm not really a fan of the charts either. Not only because it makes the game more mechanical (therefore more boring), but also because they can be abused.
"We need another mislynch. Well let's see who's the next townie in the suspicion chart and gently push the others to suspect them a bit more..."
Besides, they are useful to cement suspicions over those who are already suspected, like Yogs was, but they don't help find those that fly under the radar like I did most of the game. Carradice had me figured out in the observer thread, not because of the chart but because he noticed I was trying not to clear anyone i.e. plain old scumhunting.

About claiming anything instead of following Agent, I don't know. It's possible it would work better, but honestly I couldn't walk out of that corner I painted myself into without getting some dirt onto myself no matter what.

My problem with the charts is that I don't think "scumminess" can be properly quantified. What is 5/10 for someone might be 7/10 for someone else.
Also, scumminess of a person is not an independent event. Consider for example two people, both acted scummy but if one is scum the other is most certainly town and vice-versa, but for the moment I can't tell which one of them would it be. What score should I give them? Both 3 for being scummy? Both 5 for being in the scum-town relationship? Analysis of the results of the charts won't show this relation.
Oh yeah, one more thing against agent that I just remembered. When it was obvious the "main characters" Harry, Ron and Hermione weren't in play, it wasn't unreasonable to assume that the same is for Slytherin: Draco isn't in play; especially with Pansy, a bit of a minor character appearing in play. So the third Slytherin character could have been... Crabbe; which is what agent claimed.

Thing is, because of the lack of kill you could easily have claimed to have tracked anyone and it wouldn't have cleared them. That was literally one of the reasons for skipping the kill. :P

Thank you. I think you're being too harsh on yourself. It's kinda expected anyone would feel relaxed and toothcomb other's posts less often after being confirmed. As ZFR said when flub was a D1 IC the game got incredibly boring for them.

I thought about throwing a random guess out there in my first post but decided against it. I will only do it in observer threads from now on.