joppo: But I am certain of what I'm doing. If I'm wrong lynch me first thing the next day.
Lifthrasil: That is a very bad thing to ask in our situation, if you really are Town. If the next lynch is a mis-lynch, we HAVE to lynch scum tomorrow.
Damn. I didn't realize we were already going to reach LYLO. (Well, possibly. We don't know that. But it is better if we consider a worst case scenario)
Still, that is only the case if it is a mislynch. Which I am confident won't be.
JoeSapphire: You're forgetting my winky face! It's hard to fake a
knowing wink if you don't actually know.
THAT is your defense? That you posted a wink? To the not-that-hard-to-figure-out breadcrumber cop?
I kinda wish I hadn't voted you before only so that I could do it now.
JoeSapphire: but yeah, Carradice's actions reveal kinda crapped on all my credibility didn't it?
It's POSSIBLE Agent Carr is a mafia godfather neighbouriser who's lying about the actions to discredit me - with a perfectly-judged delicate touch trusting others to come to the conclusion. Hmm... or maybe not.
Possible? Yes.
Likely? I put all my chips in the much simpler theory that the 99% confirmed neighbourizer told the truth about the
100% confirmed JOAT.
agentcarr16: That's an interesting note. Everything else has been 1 or 3 (or unlimited...?). @Joe, do you have any more abilities?
I do have to say that he claimed JOAT before we knew about Carradice, so
he's got that going for him.
Quite the opposite. Much like if someone claimed to be Lee Jordan before you did it wouldn't mean they had that going for them. Most likely Joe claimed JOAT as a way to explain why he had a "vigilante shot" and to be kept by town as a protected townie with a powerful PR. When Carradice flipped Joe was already committed to that narrative.
Carradice probably didn't pick up on it due to inexperience. I would have let that slide as well if I didn't check a few previous games for role balance and noticed they don't usually repeat the strongest roles.
And different from Joe, we have no doubts that Carradice was truly a JOAT.
Microfish_1: Someone give me a concrete case i can vote on, not an asphalt case!
What, my case against the "JOAT" who conveniently claimed a PR that was later discovered to be held by another player, who holds more than the three shots of powerful PRs and whom I explained all his claims could be faked doesn't count?
Let me repeat a question I posed to you back when I presented my case against Joe. Did Carradice comment anything about the oddity of Joe claiming to protect the same player as him during N3?
Lifthrasil: Also, while his case against Joe sounds true, scum could also make valid observations and build cases against Townies.
Sure. Which is why I recommend you look at the case I built through both lenses, but currently you seem to be stuck on a notion that Joe is a paragon of towniness. But now that I think about it maybe there's a different reason you're so set on protecting him.
Lifthrasil: And who would have the biggest interest in increasing the suspect pool in our current situation? Scum! Especially one that is one of the top picks for many players.
That is not "increasing the suspect pool" as much as it is "bringing back to it someone who was never cleared in the first place". If Carradice had told us back then what we know now the only thing that would count as an indicator of towniness for Joe would be his killing SirPrimalForm, which I already explained can be seen as a SK's action. You seen hellbent on painting me all sorts of scum now, which at first I thought could just be an OMGUS reaction to my post #1341 but now I wonder if it isn't something more akin to scum coming to the rescue of his buddy.
If you think the suspect pool should be kept small just for the sake of it, sure. Go ahead and clear everyone who bakes a half-assed story. Just don't be surprised to see scum reach the final day among those cleared townies.
Man! The biggest contribution to finding scum so far except those attained by PRs (yes, even Carradice had a PR confirmation when he stopped Yogsloth), made only through observation and logic, and the result is that I become the main suspect. Where did
you present a case as thoroughly built against a player that is probably scum other than throwing multiple theories around Lift?
Lifthrasil: Let's do a quick calculation: We are probably at 5 vs 2. If you lynch me it will be 3 vs 2 tomorrow. Assuming and hoping that the double kill was a one-time thing. So you'll be at LYLO and have then to lynch correctly. I am fairly confident that Consul is either scum or neutral, so lynching me now might not spell doom for Town if you lynch him tomorrow. But still I would prefer if we lynch Scum today instead of me. 
agentcarr16: This goes down real bad. Why? The numbers are what they are, whether you like them or not. If we assume 2 anti-town, we can afford one mis-lynch, but not more. What about this simple fact 'goes down real bad'? Or do you have some additional information that makes my assumed anti-town number unlikely?
