I would love to see Pooka lynched today, but I’m going to be a distraction today, tomorrow, or any day I’m still alive just because I can see my defense of yogs, my hammer of FlokeSchnee, and still believing we should lynch Micro after his claim being more than some people can get past. I already mentioned this before.

Spectator mode IRL is fun

IKR? The time that I'm out of it, is the time that I actually get the job. Okay, in all fairness, I had the previous interview to work off from, so it wasn't too hard. While completely unprepared for them, I had to do an IQ test (legitimately challenging) and then an English test (do I even need to tell you it was child's play?), but all went well. Easygoing managers, wasn't a stiff or tense interview but a lively one with jokes, so the bar was much lower. But that underdressing was taxing on my already missing health, it's a surprise I didn't show my weakened self as much as I normally would.

Also I love that book title. Absolute genius.

Who do you think has the strongest case? Depending on your answer, lynch that person.

Here just to say hi.

@GR: Not wanting to discuss PMs, let us see that speculating on the nature of the third party is pretty much pointless. Probably there are two non-town. Or one. We find them. We win when ZFR says we win. Not going to discuss PMs at all. The little that has been seen on that in this thread has been horrible and boring and counter productive (Trent is pretty much right there).

@Trent: here, there is one who does not want to take you to the gallows just yet. There are others who deserve a chance to shine as possible scum.

There is a clear winner for now, but will wait for people to talk more after the weekend, just to make it fair.

Cheers

Thing is, we could still achieve the same thing(remove you from play) either way...you then pooka, or pooka then you.....both would achieve the same thing over the same number of "days".
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Maybe you didn't stress out as much and go through it all 'tensed up" due to being out of it? That might've been a part of why you did so good. :)

Thanks

Except for thinking the MAYBE either you or Trent is scum for the way you two have gone at it, I have little to no reads on the other non-locked players.

As such, any target not on the list I made earlier would be equally valid.
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Thing is that was EARLY GAME, and this is now further in when such could(imo) be a bigger help to town to reveal than hide.

Also Trent likely meant speculating on flavor/fluff text(as it would likely be NAI/etc & pointless to discuss, and might also cause town players to slip and post too much), or posting on one's PM(as, again, it might cause a town player to slip & post too much or break the game somehow).....at least that's what I took away from what he said earlier in the game.

As such, I see no real reason to hide any info that MIGHT help my fellow town(since I more or less claimed already)....also I am not saying we should sit and speculate and not hunt for scum.....just that what I know/"know" might be worth taking note of by other town while playing. As such I will be willing to share what I can if anyone wants to know it, but I will keep it to myself until someone asks so the game can carry on & we can focus mostly on hunting scum.

I WILL say this much, though....OP wouldn't have given me 3 choices for results if there were just town and scum, so imo we definitely have a third party(1 or more) in play here.......so fellow town, make use of that how y'all will.

(@OP: Above is NOT a vote)

This

The thing I see so far dominating today is the trent/pooka+joe thing.

I see Trent's "vote me I look bad but am town so it would remove distraction and help town win" as town play....
However, Trent, if scum, is using an incredible bit of reverse psychology in the following way:
"Saying, "I'm looking scummy so vote Team Trent to remove distraction and help town", is something only town would say because scum would never advocate their own lunch unless it was inevitable like yogsloth's was. This will give me town cred and enable me to stay alive longer and thus give scum another fighting chance."

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Congrats on the job, Pooka...Now you have money and less to play this with us anyway. Good + Bad. I had a nasty cold+fever over New Years and it was awful.

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@GR, keep quiet about your PM, the win condition in the sample town PM is vague on whether there are 2 or more teams. I have also seen this sample on the wiki, iirc. Nothing special about it.

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VNice. Agree in the most part.
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One problem I see with Carradice being scum, and I haven't checked to back this up, so check for yourself and take this with a grain of salt--Carradice properly writes walls of text, but not "many short posts every few minutes" as would be required to reach 300 posts.

Hole B) Does Carradice write in blocks of text or short messages on QT or other social media?

@Agentcarr & @Carradice please answer

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Yogs was
1) Lying about Post numbers to protect fellow scum to make us think it had to be talkative players/N0chat/etc
2) telling the truth.
If 2 is true, as I think it is, then Consider
3) Does Scum have Daychat due to being outnumbered or some of the scum being new players? This would also enable them to reach their 300-posts. It might explain why some of the quieter players are quiet--they are too busy in scumchat to talk here. If some of the scum are newer to the game, or if there were only 3, this might be a balancing move on ZFR's part.
4) Would a scum who wrote blocks here purposely write very short messages elsewhere on things w/o time limits between posts in order to confuse any if this came out?
Note that Daychat would put paid to any idea of code being used.

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I appreciate this info. Thank you!

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Interesting. Could easily be true, so many of us put every little thing we can think of down before we post, hoping another is online to bump in case we need a PS.

Also, I think I know exactly what idiom he meant, but I'll let him explain.
Joe please summarize why you are voting Pooka

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i wanna see more from Joppo (he made one post d3).

Caesar is OOT until EOD Sunday/early monday, when work kicks in.

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@zfr Vote count please.

I am prepared to cast my vote but I want more discussion which might or might not sway me. Especially if the convo is breezy.

Could have been worse. You could have been undressed without the additional der. Depending on the kind of interview, that could have been awkward! ;-)

Now, I still think that the 'three word communication' would be very clumsy and is therefore unlikely. There are way better ways to communicate. Ways to hide words or even only some letters in completely normal sentences. I used that in the past to communicate my role-cop results with my scumbuddy. Worked like a charm and no one noticed. So, using something so conspicuous would be stupid. Now, stupid doesn't mean impossible. I've done intentionally stupid things as scum too to use exactly this argument. 'I would never do something so stupid as scum!'.

However, and this goes to Carradice as well, whether the three word communication is real or not, doesn't change my argument against trent at all. My point was, that he claims that 'only scum would push this narrative' - and THAT is false, no matter whether that narrative is true or not.

What you say is just the icing on the cake. Yes, in a game where already some categorical exclusions were proved wrong, we shouldn't categorically exclude a N0, based on previous games.

Could be town play or could be a decent LAMIST. Hard to tell with trent. He's experienced enough to make exactly such a statement as scum. So NAI.

That being said, I'm not dead set on lynching trent. I still believe it is possible that Pooka is scum. Caesar and Joe as well, in that order. It is even possible that trent vs. pooka is a Town on Town fight.

@trent: why did you try to use the argument 'only scum would push this narrative', when you know perfectly well that that is a false statement?

At this time, there are clues enough for the Votus of Day 4.

@JoeSapphire is basically “SirPrimalForm 2, The Revenge”. He stayed detached longer than SPF did. Now he is all over the place.

Do your own math: There is a list of cop-cleared, gameplay-cleared, accusations-cleared players. Then, there is a list of scummy and very scummy players. Meaning there is a short list and the remaining scum is likely hiding in a small group.

Having so many cleared or almost cleared players (like Lift) means that Town wins this. Now, the connservative strategy would be to NK cleared players and have townies take to lunch other suspects during the Day. But there are to many cleared players. The guy is lost and he knows that. So, what to do? If scum can take a cleared townie to lunch, or just managing to cast doubts all around, then the ratio Cleared/Suspects goes down and Town loses its advantage.

So, focusing on a clearly Town player for no reason, is very anti-town behaviour. Yogsloth started that (something he never did with SPF). Micro picked up on that, maybe out of resentment for his words being called scummy, even with a smiley (and they were and they are now: everything that sheds more darkness than light is anti-town, and terrible play coming from Town).

BTW, not going to was one second in writing a defense of a player that does not require one at all. If you want to vote for Carradice, that is fine, since it might make a NK a little less obvious.

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FOR THE RECORD

BTW, for the record, re-reading the thread, it seems that, in his last posts, Flocke write some truly ugly things about this player. Things that he ought to be ashamed of. Really? Some people would not recognize humour even if it hit them in the face with a sledgehammer. And it is worrying that he does not even know what Hygiene means, in English or in German ¬¬ Let us say he was sour because of being overworked, lynched and out of touch with the game. It is the only explanation for attempting a chainsaw defense against the single player who was sticking his neck out for him. :-|

Flocke: Bad game. Bad form. Bad manners too, which is much worse. :-|

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Since some people seem to be complaining from walls of text, let us keep this short.


Erradicatio Joe


This vote will not be changed as long as Joe remains in the game. Besides his SPF-like behaviour (only a tad better), his current line of play is the most anti-town of all the suspects, and he is the most rattled of all of them. Trent is keeping his cool even as he complains, Pooka the same even being sick, Joppo wrote a healthy post, and Caesar, well, he is off and in any case Joe looks way worse than Caesar ever did (he makes a better candidate for our resident neutral, too)

@Pooka: Congratulations! Feel free to share what you feel to, about the new job. You made it even being sick. Now, step two is getting better soon.

That is all.

@carradice
I wasn't complaining in any way about walls of text. I like them. They give words to analyze and are in general a good thing. I am sorry, but I seem to be missing the meaning of this. Would you please explain further? :(

Also, post-game, I would like to explore more how my question or other comments were scummy. I seem to get told that (regarding something i said or did) in nearly every game despite always having been town, and this troubles me. :-(

You wouldn't change your vote even if it meant No Lunch?

The same question goes to @Pooka as well.
(the above is not a vote)

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My list of "would be willing to take to lunch" include (Alphabetically):
Joe
Pooka
Trent

Would Not buy them lunch:
Micro (what can I say? I'm cheap?)
Agent (two many roles to be GF)
GR (No one counterclaimed)

Nearly lock town but could change:
Lift
Carradice

Unsure:
ZFR :-D
Joppo
Caesar

The thing I'm concerned about with my job is the six-day work week, which feels like it would be taxing, but I'll need to try. I can leave in the first month with whatever I deserve of my salary, but afterwards I'll have to announce my leaving two months prior to actually committing to it (that's labor law and not management shenanigans). Would depend mainly on whether I tolerate the commute and then the work place, and the time and money lost in said commute. Though there is one thing this job makes more palatable, and it's that just a kilometer or two away, there's this mega mall. I could play Outrun there every Thursday. Best SEGA franchise right before Sonic (Generations and most anything before).

That said, thank you everyone. Hope I'll like the job and find it OK in the long run!

Back on topic (again).

I am not changing my vote until the day is over, so yes, even if it meant no-lynch. Commitment is important, and changing my stance after making such a commitment is very, very bad.

Now some points.

"I would never do something so stupid as scum!" would be a good reason to use this code, to earn Town points by doing something so abnormal for scum this early. Now Microfish says it's possible that scum have a Day Chat, which given what yogsloth dropped about the posts, seems very likely. Over 300 posts in the scumchat. I remember the last ZFR game, back before our scummy SPF was offed, we weren't even that talkative. Actually let me look at it quick.

Alright, I'll conclude that it's possible to get over 300 posts without Day Chat. Assuming we're looking for three mafiosos, them being alive for two nights can tip the scales enough. Dedo and I made it to 256 with a touch of help from SPF and ZFR using only three nights.

Funnily enough, Trent says he's OK with being lynched because he's a distraction based on all the things he has done. But then he says that if we get him lynched, I'd wiggle out by saying he was a distraction and needed to go. So it's fine for him to use this reason but not fine for me, and before I even used it to boot?

Also circling back to the code, I'd have to admit that the only time anyone even gave it any sort of attention is when Flocke brought it up, and if it wasn't for his findings, it would've gone under the radar. So while it's a lot more obvious than the code Lift used with RWarehall in Supernatural, only one person caught it. Interesting.

Short messages on QT.


Much more inclined to lynch Pooka than Trent.

This is not the sample PM, but specific results I could get after each "night".....if there were only two factions(town scum) then i'd likely have gotten a starting PM saying I could only get one of two results.

That said I won't reveal much more for now, but imo there is likely a third party & if I read it right(scum are literally called anti-town, and third party called neutral) then there is a third party, and I just wanted people to bear that in mind when picking people to lynch. :)
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I can somewhat understand Flocke....they were town and had little time to play, and possibly felt some were "picking on them" for not being able to play as much.....although on the other hand one should realize when signing up for such games what "bare minimum posts to keep playing" means & also realize that games such as this need more than 1 post per day to play well.

So yeah it seems they lashed out a bit at the end, but it is somewhat understandable(to me) and I don't fault them too much for it(and I hope they maybe get more free time and maybe think of playing in future games :)).

What if another player from the non-locked/more unknown players pool gets higher on their wagon and Joe still isn't a viable target by end of "day" & your vote could help town achieve a lynch for the "day"? Stick with your current joe vote or no?
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That sucks....over here one can quit ANY job at any time(well most that I know of) and not need to report such at their next job(if they choose to maybe leave that one as well).

(Although, to be fair, a 1-2 week notice is traditional[from employee to employer], but is not needed)

Really? So we could likely win this by lynching the unknowns one by one, and over time be more likely to get that scum that's hiding, and you'd take us to no lynch? Really? o.0

(@OP: Above is NOT a vote)

To be fair, IIRC Trent said he might leave/quit over various things he disliked on D1 and D2, so either it's a scum ploy set in place from D1(or before game start) or Trent is town.

Dunno about the others, but I read around 80% or so of all posts AT BEST....that means I might miss random things here and there.....it's possible that others missed it as well, or thought little of it and forgot to look back at it later on in the game.
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*Done for now....might cast a vote on Monday morning or later(my time)*

I'm safely back home, I will put my thoughts together tomorrow. It was a great trip. :)

From skimming the pages I see Pooka got the job, congrats!

You seem to be forgetting the ODDS.....with each player lynched it becomes more likely we hit the remaining scum, and it also becomes more likely the town doc(if we have one they don't get NKd) can protect the NK target.

(Also if the third party is anti-scum, which I hope they are, then that could help as well)

I agree, but imo hitting ANY of the other players from scummiest to least would likely have a decent(though not perfect) chance of getting us a town win.

Also lol.....why do you refer to the "town cop" in such a manner when replying to them?? o.0 ;)

What if we do this: Lynch Trent(he seems to not mind, and if he's scum playing a clever gambit then we could win this quickly), AND THEN get Pooka to claim/ask them to claim?

Sound like a good plan?