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Posted March 07, 2016
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Magnitus: Threads like this remind me how much some people care about Star Wars.

Can't say I fully comprehend it. I always found the franchise entertaining, but not profound.
What really scares me is that right now there is a group of people having a similar discussion about the Police Academy series. :P
Posted March 07, 2016
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tinyE: What really scares me is that right now there is a group of people having a similar discussion about the Police Academy series. :P
Even worse, I have a good mental picture of the Star Wars movies, but Police Academy is like a blur in the back of my head (was there a police officier with a bazooka?) and that's from when I was a child and impressionable.

I don't have particularly strong compunction to do a refresh.
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Posted March 07, 2016
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XYCat: , just look at Maul lol :D.
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ScotchMonkey: That better not mean what i think it means
and what do you think it means lol? :D
Posted March 07, 2016
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sunshinecorp: Or rather, only Han shot.
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rtcvb32: To add my only two serious cents to the discussion, what does the original book say, since that would be the source material, which from what I understand is close to 1:1 to the movie. If Lucas says Han didn't shoot first, then he didn't shoot first; Instead mistakes were made during making the original film.

But what do I know...
Just to answer your query, here's what the original 1977 book, not screenplay, has in it:

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Something which might have been a laugh came from the creature's translator. "They'd hardly notice. Get up, Solo. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. You've embarrassed me in front of Jabba with your pious excuses for the last time."

"I think you're right."

Light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina, and when it had faded, all that remained of the unctuous alien was a smoking, slimy spot on the stone floor.

Solo brought his hand and the smoking weapon it held out from beneath the table, drawing bemused stares from several of the cantina's patrons and clucking sounds from its more knowledgeable ones. They had known the creature had committed its fatal mistake in allowing Solo the chance to get his hands under cover.
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Posted March 07, 2016
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rtcvb32: But what do I know...
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blakstar: Just to answer your query, here's what the original 1977 book, not screenplay, has in it:
Hmmm sounds pretty cut and dry to me... Although it doesn't comment on where Greedo's hands were, or if there was a missed shot (although the implications of turning him in suggests it's easier to move a living breathing body than drag him by the boot).

As i recall, Lucas didn't know if Han Solo would be in the third (or second?) movie(s), so just being a taxi service was all he was intended to be originally (as far as i can tell). Guess after Lucas decided he should be more honorable and rogue-ish and less an outright back-stabber, that he officially changed/rewrote the scene.
Posted March 07, 2016
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rtcvb32: As i recall, Lucas didn't know if Han Solo would be in the third (or second?) movie(s), so just being a taxi service was all he was intended to be originally (as far as i can tell). Guess after Lucas decided he should be more honorable and rogue-ish and less an outright back-stabber, that he officially changed/rewrote the scene.
Which is stupid as hell, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, Han shooting first is what immediately sets his character in the audience's mind right away. And that was a good thing.
Posted March 07, 2016
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GR00T: Which is stupid as hell, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, Han shooting first is what immediately sets his character in the audience's mind right away. And that was a good thing.
Not a surprise :P

And it's not like he didn't try diplomacy first.
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rtcvb32: And it's not like he didn't try diplomacy first.
Exactly. And Greedo is hardly a white knight here either. He's relishing the thought of bringing Han in for money. Solo's actions were spot-on as far as I'm concerned, given the nature of his occupation and the less-than-lawful culture in which he moves.
Posted March 07, 2016
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ScotchMonkey: That better not mean what i think it means
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XYCat: and what do you think it means lol? :D
What Jim Norton described as"Mean Man Scary Face", could possibly be the worst character design ever. Want to show everyone you are evil? Red and black skin with yeallow teeth and a shitton of horns.

They didn't even have the decncy to let him stay dead oh no, he was too good for that shit.
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Posted March 07, 2016
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blakstar: They had known the creature had committed its fatal mistake in allowing Solo the chance to get his hands under cover.
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Hands so low you can't hardly see what they are doing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cLq7q8209E
Posted March 07, 2016
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rtcvb32: Although it doesn't comment on where Greedo's hands were
You wanna know where Allen's hands are, you pervert?
Posted March 07, 2016
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rtcvb32: Although it doesn't comment on where Greedo's hands were
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sunshinecorp: You wanna know where Allen's hands are, you pervert?
It could be important.... for contextual reasons.
Posted March 07, 2016
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XYCat: and what do you think it means lol? :D
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ScotchMonkey: What Jim Norton described as"Mean Man Scary Face", could possibly be the worst character design ever. Want to show everyone you are evil? Red and black skin with yeallow teeth and a shitton of horns.

They didn't even have the decncy to let him stay dead oh no, he was too good for that shit.
"Mean Man Scary Face" is applicable on every sith ever.
Posted March 07, 2016
I don't think it matters now with the new film out.
The life of Solo was all in vain as he (spoiler alert), died at the hands of Darth Emo.
If the character had to die, why could it not have been at the the controls of the Falcon, sacrificing himself for the Rebels?
Okay, gripe over...
Posted March 07, 2016
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rtcvb32: As i recall, Lucas didn't know if Han Solo would be in the third (or second?) movie(s), so just being a taxi service was all he was intended to be originally (as far as i can tell). Guess after Lucas decided he should be more honorable and rogue-ish and less an outright back-stabber, that he officially changed/rewrote the scene.
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GR00T: Which is stupid as hell, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, Han shooting first is what immediately sets his character in the audience's mind right away. And that was a good thing.
Which actually reminds me of an interview I saw with Gene Wilder about Willy Wonka. He said it was his idea to come out looking a bit decrepit and then doing acrobatics. His reasoning was that by doing so, the audience would never totally trust the character again. It just set the tone for the character so perfectly.
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