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Gog's mantra was always... "we make the old games play on modern systems" but that is obviously no longer the case here. I get it... operating systems continue to update. But what does that mean practically? That every old game that Gog sells is set to only work on whatever the "modern" system was at the time it was released here? Is it really that shallow? "Okay everyone, buy old games here ONLY when they are first released, because years later we aren't going to continue to update them, so... GOOD LUCK." Really, is that the situation? When they started this, operating system upgrades were a "known-known" to paraphrase a former VP of the USA. But they really just no longer keep them updated?

And what's worse, one of my all time favorite games, Gothic (and Gothic 2) when first released here played "out of the box" and I know this because the first game I purchased here in 2008 was Gothic. And it just worked. That hasn't been the case for years now. The amount of time it took me last summer to get it to run was too much.. the only reason I stayed with it and got it to work was because I love the game so much.

And when I got it going, I uninstalled it and reinstalled it several times just to be sure I had the right steps. I wrote them down, made a guide here and was happy. I felt like doing another play through (it is a relatively short game, less than 50 hours) and now, on the EXACT SAME COMPUTER, with the EXACT SAME OS (Windows 10), I just went through the exact same steps and no dice. Nada. Nope. Likely a Windows Update or three in between is/are the culprit(s) I guess.

So, what gog? Is that now the official policy? Old games will work with the "modern system" ONLY AT THE TIME OF RELEASE? Because I can tell you that the Gothics aren't the only games that don't work "out of the box" here anymore. The bunny thing is, it seems to affect games after 1995 more than game prior to it, I guess because DOSBOX is still reliable while whatever they did to Windows games only works for the Windows version at the time of release. Only thing I can think of.

Come on Gog. If you're going to advertise that you sell old classics already ready to run on modern systems, then that means ALL modern systems, not just the one that was the most recent at time of release here. How many of the mid 90's to mid 2000's games that were released back when GOG first opened (2008) no longer work? Are you EVER going to make an attempt to keep your advertised promise anymore?

Here's what's going to happen. Another company (not Steam or GOG) is going to do the very thing GOG did back in 2008, and open up and say "Buy your old games here, and we guarantee they'll run on your modern machine." And then that company will be okay... until they too no longer keep with changing Windows versions. And then another and another and another... and when it's all said and done we will have bought all of these old games 10 times just to get them to run.

There has to be a better way.
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I mean I get it, but GOG's kinda at the mercy of Microsoft's insane habit of breaking stuff with their OS updates. It actually WAS easier when Windows 7 was the rage. Even 8 and 8.1 were somewhat reliable. But Windows 10 and 11 just keeps breaking everything on a regular basis.

Are you truthfully expecting GOG, not the publisher or developer, to keep the games functional long-term on every Windows version listed in the system requirements? Every build, every patch. Fully compatible?

Because it's difficult to achieve such a goal with Microsoft moving the goalposts every week.
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OldFatGuy: Likely a Windows Update or three in between is/are the culprit(s) I guess.
If this is the case, even while assessing your complaints as being logically-sound, it is understandable how GOG might have difficulty with ensuring game compatibility with a constantly-morphing target (such as modern-day Windows).

Having said that, and, of course, while still acknowledging the validity of your grievance, the GOG version has not been updated in over five years, and does not include necessary patches that aid with trouble-free running on recent and/or updated versions of Windows (which, by the way, if user feedback is to be believed, are added to the edition offered by a certain competitor).

Is this entirely the fault of GOG, or, is the developer and/or publisher responsible for the deficient GOG variant? Others might know more regarding this particular instance.
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OldFatGuy: There has to be a better way.
Although of no direct benefit to you (given the current set of circumstances), your post had reminded me of a time in which a user had utilized Wine through WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) to run native Windows applications... on Windows.

The technique is admittedly rather ludicrous, but, it is quite true that Wine can often be used to run older Windows games on Linux that, for whichever reason, are unable to run properly on recent versions of Microsoft Windows.
I can certainly say, not only does Wine help a lot, but technologies introduced on the Linux side help make things saner too. Like the lovely Gamescope, which lets you spoof resolutions and run exclusive fullscreen games in a window. Very nice.

And Innoextract gets rid of the aged garbage that is the GOG installer. Just rip it open and slap the files down in a folder somewhere.
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OldFatGuy: Gog's mantra was always... "we make the old games play on modern systems" but that is obviously no longer the case here. I get it... operating systems continue to update. But what does that mean practically? That every old game that Gog sells is set to only work on whatever the "modern" system was at the time it was released here? Is it really that shallow? "Okay everyone, buy old games here ONLY when they are first released, because years later we aren't going to continue to update them, so... GOOD LUCK." Really, is that the situation? When they started this, operating system upgrades were a "known-known" to paraphrase a former VP of the USA. But they really just no longer keep them updated?

And what's worse, one of my all time favorite games, Gothic (and Gothic 2) when first released here played "out of the box" and I know this because the first game I purchased here in 2008 was Gothic. And it just worked. That hasn't been the case for years now. The amount of time it took me last summer to get it to run was too much.. the only reason I stayed with it and got it to work was because I love the game so much.

And when I got it going, I uninstalled it and reinstalled it several times just to be sure I had the right steps. I wrote them down, made a guide here and was happy. I felt like doing another play through (it is a relatively short game, less than 50 hours) and now, on the EXACT SAME COMPUTER, with the EXACT SAME OS (Windows 10), I just went through the exact same steps and no dice. Nada. Nope. Likely a Windows Update or three in between is/are the culprit(s) I guess.

So, what gog? Is that now the official policy? Old games will work with the "modern system" ONLY AT THE TIME OF RELEASE? Because I can tell you that the Gothics aren't the only games that don't work "out of the box" here anymore. The bunny thing is, it seems to affect games after 1995 more than game prior to it, I guess because DOSBOX is still reliable while whatever they did to Windows games only works for the Windows version at the time of release. Only thing I can think of.

Come on Gog. If you're going to advertise that you sell old classics already ready to run on modern systems, then that means ALL modern systems, not just the one that was the most recent at time of release here. How many of the mid 90's to mid 2000's games that were released back when GOG first opened (2008) no longer work? Are you EVER going to make an attempt to keep your advertised promise anymore?

Here's what's going to happen. Another company (not Steam or GOG) is going to do the very thing GOG did back in 2008, and open up and say "Buy your old games here, and we guarantee they'll run on your modern machine." And then that company will be okay... until they too no longer keep with changing Windows versions. And then another and another and another... and when it's all said and done we will have bought all of these old games 10 times just to get them to run.

There has to be a better way.
as others have stated there is only so much GOG can do only so many compatibility shims or programs you can use before something just breaks forever and with how windows is changing almost monthly its almost impossible, the only realistic course might be to switch to linux or forever use an older version of windows in order to maintain playability and compatibility.

so I would exactly hold the fault as GOG's honestly I would put more the blame at microsoft but thats my opinion you are free of course do as you will.
I haven't tried the Gothics lately, but last time I tried maybe 8 years ago Gothic 2 at least worked, then. But I don't even remember which operating system I was running it on then.

Would I expect it to work again now, years later? Not really. I don't expect GOG to keep a dedicated team of experts on hand to constantly update the thousands of games in their catalog. My main concern is getting my games here DRM-free. And yeah, it'd be nice if we could have the latest versions that are available elsewhere, but I put that burden on the publisher.

But beyond that, I'll just make do with doing the best I can with these cantankerous old games. Usually that means lots of online searching and forum reading at fan sites. Honestly, I'm just glad to have the games here at all. If the old ones work right out of the gate with no fiddling, that's gravy.

But then, I'm kinda weird. I sort of like the added obstacles in getting old software running again. I find it to be challenging and rewarding. Totally understand those who would rather just play the game with no hassle. But I'm afraid that, with this hobby, the added elbow grease involved is just part of the game.
Post edited August 02, 2024 by GilesHabibula
hmmm

I think I would expect Good Old Games to hold up to their end of the bargain

Add a button to galaxy to report said games, make a sticky in the general forum etc
The way to get Gothic 1 working easily:
1) Install Union patch - https://worldofplayers.ru/threads/40376/
2) Play the game

The method in your guide did indeed work at one point, but yes, a Windows update killed it. GOG could include the Union patch from the get-go, but I prefer the option to use it instead of being forced to.

As for GOG, they can only really mitigate the damage Microsoft does. As the catalogue keeps ever expanding, they simply don't have the manpower to ensure something like that.
Post edited August 02, 2024 by idbeholdME
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Braggadar: I mean I get it, but GOG's kinda at the mercy of Microsoft's insane habit of breaking stuff with their OS updates. It actually WAS easier when Windows 7 was the rage. Even 8 and 8.1 were somewhat reliable. But Windows 10 and 11 just keeps breaking everything on a regular basis.
Makes me wonder especially after Cloudstrike (And the malware update schemes trying to get everyone onto 8 and then 10) why everyone doesn't do what i do...

Disable updates... only update what you absolutely have to.

If it's a moving target, try to make a non-moving target. Get it to work in WINE and run in an API or VM if you need to. Or maybe make a runnable linux envionment bootable from USB, and reboot into the game via thumbstick. No i'm not joking, a minimum Linux OS could run about 50Mb with some variant of XWindows and drivers, and i remember getting Fez to work and it performed tons better on the same machine than in windows. (Though that is one of the only games i got to work via linux; other than DosBox games of course).

No, i think Windows is a dying OS, with them pushing Online subscription recall and many other unwanted features.
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OldFatGuy: (....)
Yop. My Gothic on Win 10 is starting after 2-3 failed starts. Only if it's not starting after 4 times I would get concerned : )
Gothic 2 vanilla can be played on Win10's first kick as it's modded.
Retro computer, frozen in time, with no internet, based on cards and USB stuff gives the best results. Thanks for open mind.
I'm sorry that you're having problems getting the game to run.
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OldFatGuy: There has to be a better way.
There isn't

We can't expect the world to stand still for the sake of our convinience and we can't expect gog or any other storefront to re-test thousands of titles everey time the OS provider or hardware manufacturers push(es) an update.

There's no substitute for knowledge and experience at our end. There's no substitute for the pool of common knowledge and tools amassed by the gaming community at large over the years that enable us to try and fix our own specific problems.

If a troublesome game is of particular significance to us that often means investing hours of our time looking into every nook and cranny on the internet for solutions that apply to our particular problem, testing those solutions, etc.
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Namur: I'm sorry that you're having problems getting the game to run.
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OldFatGuy: There has to be a better way.
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Namur: There isn't
Sure there is. Use Windows 7.... :)
What the fuck? like am i all wrong atm.... if your fucking content does not work why have the nerves of selling it?

peace...
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OldFatGuy: Gog's mantra was always... "we make the old games play on modern systems" but that is obviously no longer the case here. I get it... operating systems continue to update. But what does that mean practically? That every old game that Gog sells is set to only work on whatever the "modern" system was at the time it was released here? Is it really that shallow? "Okay everyone, buy old games here ONLY when they are first released, because years later we aren't going to continue to update them, so... GOOD LUCK." Really, is that the situation?
The quick easy simple answer, is that a release at GOG is no different to a release elsewhere, in that there is always a time factor, and we are always reliant on the developer backed by the publisher, to keep a game up-to-date.

So some games will be kept-up-to-date with an update and others won't.

You can try and blame GOG, but it isn't really down to them, and GOG have too much on their plate already, by all accounts.

And GOG don't really have much power when it comes to coercing devs/pubs into keeping games up-to-date. GOG generally have to fight just to get a game onto their store in the first place ... talking AA and AAA. Shoving a bunch of rules at a dev/pub and policing them, is only going to be a negative, and DRM-Free is already negative enough for many providers. Even if it isn't DRM-Free itself that is an issue, it is building and providing that version of their game and updates for it ... all extra work and cost, when compared to just releasing on Steam, where the majority of gamers buy.
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Zimerius: if your fucking content does not work...
What does that mean exactly?

For a quick and dirty test i just installed Gothic using galaxy of all things.

double click on the .exe - no boot

set compat options on the .exe - no boot

In my own repository of gaming stuff i found a folder named "Gothic 1 Fixes" with a few patches in it and a .txt that reads

"Gothic 1, install order

0 - Fresh Install

1 - Player kit 1.08k

2 - Player kit 2.8

3 - Classic System pack"

Went through those, double cllick on the .exe, booted, 2 minutes setting options - playing Gothic 1 in all its fugly glory @1080p.

It took me longer to remember how to pick up things from the ground than to get the game running.