I think he has a point though. They brand upcoming OS versions like the next hot thing and in terms of core features, it's mostly compatibility updates for newer hardware.

People obsess about changes in the GUI (which have not been revolutionary btw), because there is nothing else to talk about.

To be fair, it's not just Windows. The most exciting thing about newer versions of Ubuntu for me (and you could substitute any Linux distro in that statement) are what the more cutting-edge system software I use (containers and the like) might be able to do achieve with the new kernel features and greater hardware compatibility (it's more flagrant in Linux, because hardware folks cater to it less out of the box so newer more mature drivers will make a big difference there).

However, most of that stuff is nothing to get excited about for the average user. Windows makes a big deal of out of (a lot more than Ubuntu), because it's big money for them and they got to convince people to shell out the cash.

The most exciting innovations at this point happen at the application (and occasionally system software) level. The glory days of OSes have waned. They may yet come out with something truly exciting, but imho, they haven't done so for the past 10-20 years. It's mostly been about refining the existing formulas and that yields ever diminishing returns over time.

In terms of trustworthiness, it's a well known fact that Windows 10 is essentially spyware out of the box and Microsoft does collude with the NSA. This affects foreigners more than Americans, because understandably, Americans have more laws to protect their citizens against their own government than they do to protect foreigners which are fairer game for agencies like the NSA.

Frankly, nothing that I do (or that 99.99% of people do) at this point is novel enough that NSA spying would be a worry for me (I opted to go with open-source for other reasons), but it is out there. I would definitely stay away from American companies and rely on open-source for something truly sensitive.

That isn't true at all though. Under the hood there is a lot of changes to hardware management and efficiency.

Just one example really (of many): http://steamcommunity.com/groups/SpecialK_Mods/discussions/3/1334600128973500691/?ctp=90#c1354868867711520185

i know my os been using them since arpnet days was runing a gui before microsoft made one in their windows...

hardware hasnt changed much except the upcoming new pci bus for 4k monitors

last 20 years video cards been on just 2 versions of pci express

mother boards been same bus speed for 23 years now

usb only updated 3 times in 23 years usb5 coming by time win 7 sunsets

your vidoe cards same as windows os they releash reupdated version that fit changes in windows if you really had say 20 years of video cards you see that... the assembly language on all hardware been updated 3 times in 30 years

i built only 5 pcs in all the years they been in homes since before gates was 13 lol

side note its lame to fight over microsft and hardware vender pr to resale you items..

as far as win 10 it does serious monitoring for not only as you guys say nsa but for ad marketing too it allows acces by records they now refer to as telementry,,, like the smart tvs and your cell phones and the xbox 1 and ps4 if you took time to background the changes for ad dynamics and all their lame words they use for tracking us,,

like google right now here using their servers to log what you buy where you go ect monitor your net trafic on your ports.... incase you guys dont read news win 10 is geting noticed in many countrys over their so called non tracking telementry.....

but if you like win 10 fine its your pc i was testing it for 2 years and i dont like it we each decide what to like and hate ..

this thread was about galaxy client breaking xp games that was and still are xp games till they brick them on xp to push win 10

we live in a word where they got you buying how many phones in 10 years how many pcs how many copies of the same software,, how many consoles in 10 years ,,, xbox is a pc ps4 is a pc they make the games on pcs and port them to limited harware you beleave pc cant run that game lol pcs can do anything they in that cell phone-cable box-console -tv dvd player blueway player, sat box etc...

they got you thinking its all devices and each does one thing ,, we was using pcs back in 90s watching streaming when store machines couldnt microsoft copyed us and the mutimedia pc was born in xp media edition but wait thats 2005 lol

we did it in 1990 i used a amd 450 to watch net streams and record and all that before their was microsft doing it or linux .... that old pc still cruises web with its mega 4 megs ram 450 cpu and omg win98 2nd editon i watch youtube haha

if you listen to them expect buying stuff every 2-4 years as long as you live lmao

side note this whole thing is about them making us lose a xp game over a pushed steam clone so they can see your stats and have you save files on cloud,,

you do know the cloud is a harddrive on a company machine you have a hard drive why they pushing to make all pcs store info out there,, read their toss its their hd you have no single ownership,,, like facebook all your pics info is theirs as partnership of you using their hd,,

im not paranoid im a gamer who wants to use my hardware my stuff on my hd dont care about ad tracking or adsense dont need google to use a machine or the web today,

everyone linked to amazonwares or google adsense soon microsoft gets that money as their new windows is open door to see you and what you doo its not so much nsa as in 3rd party big data mining from our os.s

fallout new vegas does not need a cloud to play or online stats they puting it in all their games so when we play they collect data so far i found galaxy hidden in 4 of my games and those 4 lag like hell

the other 149 games here run perfect and those galaxy 4 games dont break it but they not so client based its in rebel galaxy, the walking dead seasons and alien vs predator so far ...

i hope gog being out side usa will not follow usa and uk companies and their big data mining crap,, its good old games not google or microsoft ,,, err oh wait they added google adtracking here now ops what happened to gog :(

Remenber they say you accept being tracked by aggreeing by usin the new big data collecting hardware ,, its why we have back doors not just for like nsa but for their 3rdpartys who pay them to collect our data,, microsoft and all these companies making millions by joining them,

thats why win 10 is doing this microsft wants to be king of data collecting and since they main os they will be...

our goverments buys the data like any 3rd party, thats why all this became normal for them when bush was president the aol scandle the sony back door scandle googles net dynamis gather they calim they now see 80% of all of us and what we do on web in real time look for their ad services read their words they use to sell our data info lol

im just here trying to buy a good old game before they all got ad crazy and spyware insane... this only fallout i havent played since no way in hell i use steam by the way its a back door client attaches to your windows kernal and boots before you can see what its doing run pc through a data collector and catch its packets...

and sorry for long rant sad part i been building my pcs since day one and never brought a pc so i know my systems i made just 5 and they ran games and still work to this day over 46 years how many pcs will you be using as a store pc buyer on windows machines :)

So many words to pretend you actually know something.

"Just two versions of pcie"
"just 3 versions of usb"
"motherboards same"

It's a miracle you figured out how to use the forum.

was talking about types of hardware and yeah also i helped a friend once build a non windows we promoted it in local old computer fares he named it after his girl friend debie,, you all linux users know it as debian was first linux flavor to show at a ibm compute swap meet with the windows fanboys hating on it like you hating on me here

he was great guy sad hes gone spent many a night hating on gates lol

also linus hates gates too if you see him ask him about minux :)

PS we went from vesa agp to pci to pci express thats the vid card formats aka hardware
and mother boards changed buss speed and sockets thats what i ment.

You're quite ignorant. Here's some reading for you:

* OneCore to rule them all: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

* The Great C Runtime (CRT) Refactoring

Fact of the matter is that Microsoft have made a ton of changes in the kernel the last decade or so to truly make their "OneCore" concept a reality, while bringing with it a ton of security improvements and underlying changes. Hell, they've even implemented changes in DirectX over the years as well occasionally. All of this while still being able to somehow manage backwards compatibility for a majority of applications. It's honestly mindbogglingly what they've succeeded in. I might whine about Windows 10's issues and weird behaviour every now and then but I at least acknowledge the huge challenge Microsoft not only took on, but actually managed to complete. Without breaking it for millions of users, no less.

Extended Support for XP ended three years ago. The OS is dead and should not be used in any major capacity unless playing individual games that are not compatible with a modern and secure operating system.

their one core is them bridging risc tech to ibm style opensource hardware bridge

and if thats true then they need to close win 10 its nt on 20 year old setup lol assembly needs dumped its 30 year old setup and hardware today is just swaping from direct acess to emulation for win drm

ps whats windows and linux have and common with macs unix os hmmm lol

side note we fighting like im linux and your microsft haha,,, lets just remenebr hardware is all computers they run assembly,,,,, what ever you call the softcore kernal rather its monolitic or etc,,, dos,unix,minux,windows,linux they run on assembly,,

if they core the program as in linux as modul or as apps the kernal is for software not hardware all software uses assembly no matter the type os theres two styles of hard ware always was the cpu the mem the os they chose one or other....

galaxy is a client to use cloud saves friends lists ect it isnt set to work in xp so why put it in all versions cant we have a clean non galaxy game thats an xp game this galaxy is a drm cause it calls home if it cant call home it refuses the game to run,,, like steam no steam calling home and in time not one steam game will run...... del steam try and use your steam games..... galaxy is a lock that wont open on xp why put it there???

Motherboards have changed a hell of a lot more than that. Granted you probably don't know it being stuck in the stoneage.

Memory controllers? It's on the CPU die not the Northbridge for lower latency. Result? Higher memory frequencies can actually have a noticible improvement in performance.

In fact most the hardware control has been moved away from being managed by a Northbridge/Southbridge setup to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub

Oh and PCIe & USB? Both have had multiple revisions over the years improving bandwidth. A modern GPU could easily easily saturate some of the older PCIe revisions.


You think nothing has changed because you've buried your head in the sand.

You're talking to the wrong guy about that stuff. I stopped paying close attention to PC graphics around ~2005. Everything after has yielded diminishing returns for me. I'm just as happy playing a game that looks like a SNES game if it has novel gameplay. So many games with cutting edge graphics now are yersterday's thrash with a fresh coat of paint.

Outside of AAA GPU-intensive gaming, you can go apesh*t optimising low-level stuff like CPU caching and assembly meta-programming in languages like C/C++ (and I have done that for a time) and go even crazier with assembly, but most modern applications don't really need this.

They'll be using an OS-agnostic language like Java/Python/Javascript (and many others that follow this trend) with the goal to run reasonably well (portability matters more than getting that last 5%-10% hardware optimisation) across any hardware.

In all likelihood, all that stuff will be running on some VPS, on a VM and/or perhaps pre-compiled on another machine in a container image.

Most of the time, for real-world persistent apps, the bottleneck won't even be CPU/RAM, but io (disk access, network, etc) and if you do need more CPU/RAM (or io for that matter if you built your app to be scalable), you just add more machines and container instances of your app across a Kubernetes cluster (or whatever technology you are using to scale your app).

Under such a setup, what you really need is an OS that plays along and lets you run whatever you want to run in whichever way you want to run it and gets the hell out of your way. Microsoft has started understanding this recently (nowadays, their sales pitch is something like: "yeah, its Windows, but don't worry... you won't be able to tell it's Windows... you'll be able to run your Linux stuff and it will be just like on your Linux... we promise you won't be able to tell its us!"), but they are late to the party.

im talking about design you talking about chipsets and clocks speed and bandwidth can be changed on any board peeps over clock hardware everyday

i ment in the types of new design changing from usb 1 to 5 is chipset and bandwidth os has its own clock speed like to days cpus are 16 cores on 1 dye but software uses only 4 cores os uses 4 cores,, os has a timed clock and be on any board from say 333mhz to say 4000 mhz etc they had 4000 mhz boards in 2004 the cpu clocks same in some cases they slower for the ddr5 ram on the cpu cores etc

this is about galaxy client it is not a xp based software so why not have a clean xp game the game was made years back before windows 8 its converted for win 10 and many having issues read our game forum win 7 users having issues their laging from the connection to galaxy hell gog going to update their server cpus soon

years back when command and conquer 3 came out it was always on cloud saves that laged and crashed the game just like it does this day now 2017,, puting full time connection for drm is and always will cause users headacres our isps trottle us limit bandwidth ect games that relie on cloud lag bad etc

anyway the issue here is glaxy client dont work on windows xp since gog hates us so why ruin games for us who use it and want to play the xp game its a frigging xp game.....

We've already been over that. GOG isn't a platform designed to make old games work on old computers. It's a platform designed to make old games work on modern computers. It have always been this as well. This isn't something that magically happened with GOG Galaxy, the platform have always been catered towards providing the best possible experience on modern hardware.

Supporting XP goes against that right now, seemingly.

thats the funny part we been talking about hardware and its really their software thats based on lol clients like steam which started in 2006 hahaha and they using cloud which is really steaming to servers that tech is lol 15 years old lmao

after all stats and cloud is really new names for what was done on servers since well 97 lmao

they using software to program their client so lets see windows coding for into their os is well on its 5th genration and really old tech its app coding for nt and nt is well from 2000 was server side software which became back then next gen windows aka xp-vista-win 7-win 8- win 10 etc

it was nice meeting you guys on forums this first time i decided to carry live feed back on a forum and well been on forums since they was called postings on bbs's

it was nice meeting you with good commits and bad and thanks for being civil, i respect everyone with good or bad commits our opions allow us to meet etc :)

when time comes i will leave gog for good i came here because i beleaved their commits when they started it and was fan of witcher not having drm it was first game i brought boxed since the crazy sony drm nightmare...

well rootkit and then steam made games go digtal and i stoped buying games over forced steam would never have brought a game again if not for gog seeming to be honest... witcher 2 was last game i got in box from them due to them droping xp suport on witcher 3,,,

if galaxy is going to steal my gog xp games they releashing here i guess my buying games here will be done,, im not geting into another digtal game platform and well they forcing win 10 on me and im a unix /linux /dos /windows to win 7 user, will never buy another boxed windows or build a windows machine will just go full linux or unix etc...

i knew this was bad ideal to spend money here after all in their world today we dont own games we lic them i lic 154 games here and well guess they will make them galaxy games now,, they wasnt when i brought err lic them?

P.S last thing i will post in this chat been talking way to much here not my op and rude to take so much chat in it Gog if you reading this from a gamer since 1974 maze in england im asking for you to remenebr us gamers who been here since start two games i waited and voted on here to come ,,

you got one fallout new vegas and the other is skyrim they broke my heart when they made them two steam only client games and caused me to leave buying games and leaving betesda fanyboy days, i once sent email to todd beging him not to use stream he never answered but he did when they went steam only,,

you got one now here and other no doubt coming let us have them on xp if you relly care about old gamers and pc guys don't be like the other money hungry companies,,,

im in my finale days like dos im coming to a nonrebooting state my hardware is counting down like the sunset of all windows except win 10... i really wanna do these while im here..... gaming is my life and thousands of games later im counting down to end game and the day i sunset too........

All that one-purpose hardware nowadays is due to a push by corporate players and a customer base with a hardware-worship fetish.

The purpose of hardware is to run software, that's it. Put a nice fancy cover on a computer that makes it look like a race car, call it a cutting-edge game console and yet still only an overpriced computer.

Hardware is cattle, it's not a pet. You use it, you don't make love to it.

The only computer that 60%+ of the population needs is a smartphone. Unless they run a business, the remainder only need one additional computer (can be a desktop/laptop/console, but it should be one).

Unless I've been heavily misinformed, most people don't make love to their pets...