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vulchor: Wallonia is a part of the Netherlands, currect?
It's the French-speaking part of Belgium, actually (and often in political conflict with the Dutch-speaking part). So geographically you were pretty close, but I don't think you'd make many friends by saying Wallons are Dutch ^^
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Years_of_Chaos: Are you autistic?
Well, I'm certainly a darn sight more intelligent than you, you mindless, infantile twit.

See, I can do this shit as well!
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vulchor: Wallonia is a part of the Netherlands, currect?
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Kardwill: It's the French-speaking part of Belgium, actually (and often in political conflict with the Dutch-speaking part). So geographically you were pretty close, but I don't think you'd make many friends by saying Wallons are Dutch ^^
Damn it. I thought my European geography was better than it is. There's always time to learn until you're dead.
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vsr: Why you have to be scared of anything when you are part of NATO?
Why demonize Putin?
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vulchor: I'm not demonizing him, I'm afraid of two super powers arming up again. NATO should be scary too since its all anti Russian in origin. It should have probably been dismantled after the cold war was over so we could work as partners without fear. However, Putin is scary because Russia is getting stronger and solidifying power towards himself, who knows what he might do with it? Just like Donald Trump is now scary because he wants to restart the nuclear arms race since Russian nuclear weapons are more advanced than ours. If he could consolidate power llike Putin has and remain in effective control of the country for the amount of time Putin has, you'd be afraid too.
You're not demonizing, European media does.
Just like they did before destroying Iraq, Libya, Syria.

Russia doesn't want to be destroyed like those countries, so... yeah.
War is in the blood of Europeans. Can't live in peace and accept democratic choice of other countries's people.
sarcasm on:
For some time the world was so simple. The difference between good and evil was defined by a single letter:
Obama vs Osama
Then the bad guy died and everything got worse.
sarcasm off:

I know about trump:
- He has insulted half of the universe
- He said lots of racist and sexist stuff
- He changed his mind more often than his cloth, why should he care about his lies from yesterday when he has new ones today
- politifact.com said that more than 70% of his statements are mostly or completely false, the highest rate of any mayor politician
So I do not understand why people voted for him.

I do not like miss clinton, but at least she is an experianced politician.
Bernie sanders was the first american politician that i liked.

Now the good news:
The roman empire lasted for many centuries, although some of its emperors were insane.
Even the president cannot change everything in his own country with a single word. Many things will continue as usual.

If he throws bombs on less other countries then former presidents and if he does not cause too much nonsense in his own country, maybe he actually is the better choice.
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sanscript: ... I have to say, and I don't hate Putin personally - but the level of sanctions against Russia is beyond me. Like I've said before, more than often that only hurts the people even more.

I don't think Putin himself wants to derail Russia even further, quite the opposite, I also think he has stabilized the country somewhat - but I think he's fighting others (like most politicians) in the back room.
That's a lot of assumptions. I don't understand what you mean by stablizing Russia? Building up a corrupt justice system, controling the resources by putting key figures in charge of governmental companies, getting rich himself. Seizing Crimea, starting a war in Eastern Ukraine, stopping the abolishment of plutonium. This is stabilization? And the theory about him fighting some unknown threat? That is probably deliberately underestimating his strengths just to be able to blame someone else?

These back door figures would have to be incredibly powerful if they can derail a whole country against such a strong man like Putin. I don't really believe it.
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sanscript: (almost like choosing between pest and cholera as they say)
Choose the pest. Nowadays, you have a decent chance of surviving the Black Plague, while some breeds of cholera can kill you in a few hours.
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jamyskis: That's rich coming from a guy from a country with a proven history of interference in international elections, most notably providing financing to the French Front National (proven), to the British UKIP (likely) and to the German AfD (suspected).
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vsr: You are talking about politician's business. I'm not a politician and i never provided anything to parties you mentioned.
I'm just amazed about level of hatred towards Putin among simple European folks.

For example, in Russia there is no such level of hatred towards Merkel, who is constantly threatening with new sanctions against Russia, or Hollande, who is doing the same stuff, or president of Poland, who is constantly begging for battle tanks from USA to "fight Russia".
None of which rank even close to interference in local elections, and all of which are perfectly suitable activities for people in their position anyways (except perhaps Poland's but, then again, it's Poland; chances are half the EU couldn't mark it on a map anyways).

For a closer analogue you'd have to look at Latin America and see Chávez and Maduro's influence over the various far-left parties in the area, which *are* resented by the local populace, or Castro's own influence over Venezuela, which gets vitrol practically every day from anyone who's not a hardcore chavista. Meanwhile, Evo's push for sanctions against Chile seldom elicits more than laughter, while Uribe's and now Macri's push for sanctions against Venezuela is actually *thanked* by the population, seeing it as a small contribution towards removing Maduro.

And then you have the extreme of Hong Kong's 2014 protests against China, though that did go a fair bit beyond even what Putin has done, but shows it's a touchy subject for people all over the world.
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sanscript: People haven't been dreaming of the USA since before the liberal Kennedy - It all went sour after that him.
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vulchor: It sure did, and for those of us with our eyes and hearts open its been a waking nightmare living here. The problem is so many Americans still think we're the best and our ideas are the best, they can't understand that other countries have ideas and policies that have made them far better than us in all important international metrics. The cold-war era rhetoric of "socialism is evil" has forever damaged any hope of reforms in this country I believe, because people don't want to try to learn a new definition for something. They tie in emotions and let those overrule facts.
Same sentiment. It's a shame that a word shall have so much indoctrinated hate - when it doesn't matter AT ALL what you call it. Some choose, sadly, to not see beyond the bad rhetoric and look what they can agree upon to make things better for most people instead.

I've always hoped that your country could take education and healthcare more seriously, without those in order you end up live with idiocracy and people turning into stupid, cocky and aggressive mutants, where violence is better than words...
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Years_of_Chaos: Are you autistic?
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jamyskis: Well, I'm certainly a darn sight more intelligent than you, you mindless, infantile twit.

See, I can do this shit as well!
Man...I can't wait for Arabs to make Germany great again.
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sanscript: I have to say, and I don't hate Putin personally - but the level of sanctions against Russia is beyond me. Like I've said before, more than often that only hurts the people even more.

I don't think Putin himself wants to derail Russia even further, quite the opposite, I also think he has stabilized the country somewhat - but I think he's fighting others (like most politicians) in the back room.
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vulchor: The sanctions in Russia are targeted sanctions so they won't impact the populace, just certain wealthy and powerful individuals, however I think Europe has argued to go farther.
Actually those sanctions affect the populace the most.
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Years_of_Chaos: Are you autistic?
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jamyskis: Well, I'm certainly a darn sight more intelligent than you, you mindless, infantile twit.

See, I can do this shit as well!
Why are you filled with so much hatred. Why hate yourself?
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Mad3: If he throws bombs on less other countries then former presidents and if he does not cause too much nonsense in his own country, maybe he actually is the better choice.
Well, at least it will be "interesting times" for us Europeans if we can't hide anymore behind good ol' Uncle Sam when things go south.

Which maaaay be a good thing. It may force the EU to grow a spine and have a coherent foreign policy. We'll see.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by Kardwill
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Elmofongo: ...That should be the reverse

A poltician that is corrupt, arrogant, and beliigerent that is also competent at doing what she does makes it even worse?

That only proves she knowingly is doing all the bad things she does.
I'm not talking about competent at being corrupt. No matter how corrupt she is, Clinton would at least have been aware of the responsibility that she has to maintain the peace and compromise. The ability to compromise is key in politics. And I suspect she did at least have the greater good of the country at heart.

Trump certainly knows what evil he has committed. I don't doubt that his only interest in becoming president was to further his business interests and gain power and immunity from criminal prosecution, just because he could. Just because he's inexperienced and volatile doesn't mean he doesn't know the difference between good and evil.

You make him out to be some naivling, like a child who looks cute because he's holding daddy's gun. He knows exactly what he's doing, and he's a skilled manipulator, but it doesn't make him presidential material.
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vulchor: The sanctions in Russia are targeted sanctions so they won't impact the populace, just certain wealthy and powerful individuals, however I think Europe has argued to go farther.
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Calamitus: Actually those sanctions affect the populace the most.
The targeted sanctions of certain oligarch's bank accounts affect most of the populace how?