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Posted November 09, 2016
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Tauto: Sure,you would expect them to be polite but what about the strain on the Government funds? I see that lady is not very popular anymore.
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jamyskis: That is basically the only valid argument presented by the right, and of course it's a matter of healthy debate whether helping people in need is money well-spent. If you don't, that's your opinion, and that's fine. Of course, I do think we've let in too many refugees, but a lot of that is down to other EU states bellyaching about refugees and refusing to take them in, so Germany has had to shoulder the lot of them.

Merkel's popularity is not declining specifically because of the refugee crisis, but because she's tone-deaf to the political climate. She wasn't wrong to ignore the PEGIDA and AfD supporters with those whose "concerns" were based on shouting "Islam is evil, hur, dur" over and over again, but she was wrong to ignore the concerns of citizens who had legitimate worries about such a large influx of people unfamiliar with our culture.

Ironically, because Syria is largely a secular society, Syrians are actually having an easier time of integrating here than say, the Eritreans or Afghans. My wife is working with a Syrian refugee at her workplace, and I collaborate with two Syrian English>Arabic translators in my line of work. Neither of us have had any problems. There's certainly an immediate strain on the government budget, but I suspect that it will taper off as more and more refugees start earning their own money.
Okay as long as it works out,that's fine.But I will say our country is hurting from the strain even though we never got any where near your numbers.Now our Government has stopped all refugees entering.Back on Trump for a second time as they deleted my thread.We have a lady Pauline Hanson who is hated and despised by all a bit like me but she says it as it is and got a landslide reentry to the senate.
Posted November 09, 2016
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darthspudius: just accept it and get on with your life.
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DubConqueror: Not easy to do, with a left wing heart that's burning with desire for a just and equitable world.
Exactly. I am physically ill because of this. I never expected the results to go this way. Clinton fought hard when she was First Lady to give health care to the tens of millions of Americans without it (Bill put her in charge of that) and she originally proposed a single payer solution, but of course congress shot her down. I believe that if Hilary had gotten 8 years in office (two terms) the US would finally get that single payer solution we so desperately need, and we'd probably get public college education as well, that would solve the learning divide in the US as well. Hilary isn't the progressive that my heart 'Berns" for, but least of all she'd put a left-leaning Supreme Court justice in.
Posted November 09, 2016
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jamyskis: I think if I know Vainamoinen, (s)he is being ironic.
Ironic, sarcastic, sardonic, deep dark dryly. Yes of course.

America is already the country in which multi-billionaire Peter Thiel has to help out poor single digit millionaire Hulk Hogan with his legal fees so he can literally mutilate the free press. Evidently that isn't grotesque enough for the American people. I can not imagine that Trump voters have looked at Trump's politics. The whole shit show of the last months was about demonizing the political enemy exclusively. And man, that worked well.
Posted November 09, 2016
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence#Political_stances

Pence's political leanings will probably be a better indicator of what's gonna happen. TPP will happen. so much for being anti-globalist.
Posted November 09, 2016
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Emob78: [. . .] but I'm crying tears of joy that Hillary Clinton will not be president.
That. Also, the fact that George "Civilisation Destroyer" Soros will not be the shadow president and the puppeteer is a great thing.

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Matruchus: Thank you Assange and Wikileaks for bringing the truth forward to the world.
Don't forget James O'Keefe—he's a hero, too!
Posted November 09, 2016
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Tauto: He is only 1 man and certain things he can't implement without the Senate.
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DubConqueror: Who holds the majority in the Senate of the US?
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catpower1980: Geert Wilders as PM? :o)
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DubConqueror: Yes, another such an unthinkable thing that might come true. The PVV is at 36 seats of the 150 in parliament in polls. Election is in 2017. I'm scared shit for that as well. Luckily no-one wants to join in a coalition with the PVV, they made themselves impossible. But impossible things can happen, so it seems, looking at the US results today.
What will happen to the world in the next four years?
Not much.He is not a God but a big mouth.
Posted November 09, 2016
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dick1982: Pence's political leanings will probably be a better indicator of what's gonna happen. TPP will happen. so much for being anti-globalist.
Well, besides the fact that I hate the word "globalist", as it seems to have become a carry-all insult of the far-right to defame any political opponent as being part of some all-encompassing global conspiracy, one of the great ironies of this new form of National Socialism is that it is very "globalist" in nature. You'll note that in Europe and the US, the parties representing this ideology have all been very wishy-washy, back and forth when it comes to CETA and TTIP, because they know that their voters are resolutely anti-globalisation, but are themselves strong liberal capitalists and by extension pro-globalisation.

You'll see this streak in every similar political ideology.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by jamyskis
Posted November 09, 2016
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When talking about the American election, I always keep one thing at the back of my mind - I don't live there. I have no idea what daily life is like, and dismissing the feelings of half the country would be the height of idiocy. I think it's telling that nearly every US media outlet threw their support behind Clinton, and Clinton lost. Those who were pondering the ramifications of biased reporting need ponder no more, the American people trust the media about as much as they trust a nymphomaniac with a bowl of fruit.
Posted November 09, 2016
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DubConqueror: Not easy to do, with a left wing heart that's burning with desire for a just and equitable world.
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vulchor: Exactly. I am physically ill because of this. I never expected the results to go this way. Clinton fought hard when she was First Lady to give health care to the tens of millions of Americans without it (Bill put her in charge of that) and she originally proposed a single payer solution, but of course congress shot her down. I believe that if Hilary had gotten 8 years in office (two terms) the US would finally get that single payer solution we so desperately need, and we'd probably get public college education as well, that would solve the learning divide in the US as well. Hilary isn't the progressive that my heart 'Berns" for, but least of all she'd put a left-leaning Supreme Court justice in.
Well, you two still have the option of moving to Wallonia as it has been under the left-wing for decades (and it's not gonna change soon). Although I'm not sure you could handle what real socialism (not the US one) is :o)
Posted November 09, 2016
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markrichardb: I think it's telling that nearly every US media outlet threw their support behind Clinton
They reported on Clinton's emails nine times longer than on her political stances. That's not necessarily a bias for Trump, it could just be a bias for sensationalism, but I'm definitely sure we would not call that "support" for Clinton.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13570724/media-obsession-emails
Post edited November 09, 2016 by Vainamoinen
Posted November 09, 2016
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DubConqueror: Who holds the majority in the Senate of the US?

Yes, another such an unthinkable thing that might come true. The PVV is at 36 seats of the 150 in parliament in polls. Election is in 2017. I'm scared shit for that as well. Luckily no-one wants to join in a coalition with the PVV, they made themselves impossible. But impossible things can happen, so it seems, looking at the US results today.
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Tauto: What will happen to the world in the next four years?
Not much.He is not a God but a big mouth.
That's actually a comment of yours that I like. A +1 to counter your negative rep.
Posted November 09, 2016
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DubConqueror: That's actually a comment of yours that I like. A +1 to counter your negative rep.
Yeah, right? The way he's been debating here is the reason why I defended Tauto before he chose to bite the hand that fed him and try and make me out to be some kind of scammer.

He has some interesting contributions to make when he behaves. Not everything that I agree with, but constructive and civil nonetheless.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by jamyskis
Posted November 09, 2016
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jamyskis: Well, besides the fact that I hate the word "globalist", as it seems to have become a carry-all insult of the far-right to defame any political opponent as being part of some all-encompassing global conspiracy [. . .]
Replace "globalist" by "racist" and "far-right" by "lefties" and you get the same results. Words are just that—words. What happened to your (general) psychological strength that you feel offended by any- and everything?
Posted November 09, 2016
Assasination attempt still a possibility. Little to no one likes Trump, especially among the so called elitist. Time will tell. Perhaps America will be great again like it was in '90s. I hope so, because I loved good old USA
Post edited November 09, 2016 by Cadaver747
Posted November 09, 2016
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markrichardb: I think it's telling that nearly every US media outlet threw their support behind Clinton
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Vainamoinen: They reported on Clinton's emails nine times longer than on her political stances. That's not necessarily a bias for Trump, it could just be a bias for sensationalism, but I'm definitely sure we would not call that "support" for Clinton.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13570724/media-obsession-emails
I'm talking about newspaper endorsements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_primaries,_2016

Even the UK media does this, and it ain't right.
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