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Anyone yet have a source for me why Hillary would be bad or what wrongs she did? I don't really know much about her but for her being former President's wife and currently Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by DubConqueror
She's not currently the Secretary of State, John Kerry is now. She was the Senator of New York before that.
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zeogold: ... So, to summarize:
The majority of states are voting for Trump because the majority of states vote for whoever the Republican candidate is anyways (welcome to the two-party system, folks!). It's the electoral votes that matter. ...
The electoral votes usually agree with the popular vote although there the differences are much smaller. Electoral votes just artificially make the differences look larger and are there for some archaic historical reasons. One could even argue that switching to just popular vote like in many other countries of the world would be simpler and fairer, but even then Trump probably got a majority of votes today.

Republican voters voting for Trump are of course supporting him and everything he stands for. You cannot just say, sorry, I always vote Republican no matter what. No, if you vote for someone, you are responsible for a potential election of that person. There is no way denying or getting out of it later.

I would say that this election showed clearly that Trump has a lot of support within the US people. Probably also a lot of opposition but also much more support than I ever thought is possible.
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vulchor: There is no 'downward death spiral of socialism'.
True, more of a downward death spiral of neo-liberalism. America's so called 'left wing' are as left as our right-wing liberal party the VVD.
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Telika: Each political club will have its own narrative on how successful or disastrous Trump's era will have been.
Yes, but the Republican camp will rely on "feelings" as opposed to facts just like this past election.

Trump promises trickle down economics. Which will work just like it always does, with statistically measurable results.
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vulchor: She's not currently the Secretary of State, John Kerry is now. She was the Senator of New York before that.
Thanks. It shows what a nitwit I am (luckily, I'm steering towards mental breakdown with my wish to know more of American politics).
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DubConqueror: Anyone yet have a source for me why Hillary would be bad or what wrongs she did? I don't really know much about her but for her being former President's wife and currently Minister of Foreign Affairs.
You could find some, if they don't spend all day deleting it. Her campaign has been censoring everything left right and centre.

Looks like the lefties are crying on here too. Such a sad state, just accept it and get on with your life. It doesn't hurt, us Scots have to do it every time there is an election.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by darthspudius
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Vainamoinen: Trump promises trickle down economics. Which will work just like it always does, with statistically measurable results.
As in 'not'? Just widening the ever-increasing gap between the (super-)rich and the poor?



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darthspudius: just accept it and get on with your life.
Not easy to do, with a left wing heart that's burning with desire for a just and equitable world.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by DubConqueror
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Vainamoinen: Yes, but the Republican camp will rely on "feelings" as opposed to facts just like this past election.
Otherwise known as post-truth politics. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that, now we can see post-truth politics in action, it'll hopefully die the painful death it deserves, and people will actually learn to do research and factchecking. That's assuming we're not left trying to survive some kind of nuclear holocaust.
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Crosmando: Hopefully he'll be less interventionist in the Mid-East than Hillary would have been. America needs to get it's nose out of other countries' affairs and let them govern themselves.
Not expecting much respect for Trump on the international stage. I think he had 2 interactions with international leaders during his run and didn't he lie publicly to the US people about what was said during these things both times and end up getting corrected? It at least happened with the Mexican one.
Post edited November 09, 2016 by Pheace
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DubConqueror: As in 'not'? Just widening the ever-increasing gap between the (super-)rich and the poor?
Exactly.
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Vainamoinen: Trump promises trickle down economics. Which will work just like it always does, with statistically measurable results.
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DubConqueror: As in 'not'? Just widening the ever-increasing gap between the (super-)rich and the poor?
I think if I know Vainamoinen, (s)he is being ironic. It's long-established that trickle-down economics does not work. Regardless of the intentions behind it - be it as a well-intentioned economic theory or a hollow excuse to support one's political benefactors - Reagan and Thatcher's policies both proved that wealth does not "trickle down" from the rich to the poor. Both the US and UK are suffering massively from this ill-conceived theory even today.
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Crosmando: ...
The world needs more people like you who can see the big picture.
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DubConqueror: As in 'not'? Just widening the ever-increasing gap between the (super-)rich and the poor?
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Vainamoinen: Exactly.
Sorry I didn't see the irony. I just don't know your views enough - or had forgotten about them to be more exact, now I remember see you participate very constructively in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in Paris this summer.
I avoid politics in here a whole bunch but... let's face it: the biggest winner here is a "tiny country" called Zhonghuá.
No one will respect this Trump dude, and the entire planet knows that mr. Vlad P. is more like a paper tiger.

Five years from now I'll post something about politics again, trust me! :)