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tfishell: Money talks. Stop buying here and let GOG know why you've stopped buying, and they might be forced to listen. I don't personally buy enough or often enough to make an impact, nor have I had to contact Support over serious matters yet.
I noticed you italicised the word personally. In saying that, what do you buy impersonally, then? XD
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oldsxcool: It's too late for you to tell lies about what happened and about what was said because it's all out in the open in black and white. I WAS THE ONE who discovered the workaround to the problem. The only reason why you now know the workaround for the music issue in this game is because you read the words I wrote in this thread that was started by me. Clearly at the time that I approached GOG about the issue I did not know about the workaround and neither did GOG. As far as GOG was concerned the game was broken and they admitted it without submitting an acceptable fix or workaround to the problem.

BTW your analogies are just as lame as your logic. I have never requested a single item from GOG for free with the knowledge of how to fix the game and I even turned down the store credit twice so your grocery store scenario doesn't quite fit. You clearly can't comprehend the point of this thread and your snarky, not to mention stupid comments, aren't making you look any smarter.
Listen - just because you are the one that "discovered" the workaround doesn't mean squat as far as "you should get a refund - because there's a known workaround - but you found it so therefore you should be refunded - even tho it's a working workaround". It doesn't mean shit.

Every workaround is "discovered" by someone - there's no "Rule Nbr X" that says "the 'discovererererer' gets a refund because ... they discovered it!!!!111"

A "proper chap" would be all like "Hey everyone - hey GOG - never mind the refund - I FOUND A WORKAROUND - here it is ... <insert here>. Enjoy everyone! <smileys>"

Old games have problems (I have at least one that won't even run - and another that reboots my PC) and it's expected to a degree to "live with it" and "deal with it".

You want a "perfect experience" or at least a "workaround you didn't yourself find" - but that is simply unrealistic.

Drop the hostile behavior - you found a workaround - GREAT - now live with it. Share it. Rejoice.

JMO

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oldsxcool: It's too late for you to tell lies about what happened and about what was said because it's all out in the open in black and white. I WAS THE ONE who discovered the workaround to the problem. The only reason why you now know the workaround for the music issue in this game is because you read the words I wrote in this thread that was started by me. Clearly at the time that I approached GOG about the issue I did not know about the workaround and neither did GOG. As far as GOG was concerned the game was broken and they admitted it without submitting an acceptable fix or workaround to the problem.

BTW your analogies are just as lame as your logic. I have never requested a single item from GOG for free with the knowledge of how to fix the game and I even turned down the store credit twice so your grocery store scenario doesn't quite fit. You clearly can't comprehend the point of this thread and your snarky, not to mention stupid comments, aren't making you look any smarter.
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Martek: Listen - just because you are the one that "discovered" the workaround doesn't mean squat as far as "you should get a refund - because there's a known workaround - but you found it so therefore you should be refunded - even tho it's a working workaround". It doesn't mean shit.

Every workaround is "discovered" by someone - there's no "Rule Nbr X" that says "the 'discovererererer' gets a refund because ... they discovered it!!!!111"

A "proper chap" would be all like "Hey everyone - hey GOG - never mind the refund - I FOUND A WORKAROUND - here it is ... <insert here>. Enjoy everyone! <smileys>"

Old games have problems (I have at least one that won't even run - and another that reboots my PC) and it's expected to a degree to "live with it" and "deal with it".

You want a "perfect experience" or at least a "workaround you didn't yourself find" - but that is simply unrealistic.

Drop the hostile behavior - you found a workaround - GREAT - now live with it. Share it. Rejoice.

JMO

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WTF are you talking about? You clearly have not read any of the ENTIRE CONVERSATION between me and GOG that I posted inside this thread! Why don't you go and actually read that?

Don't tell me what a "proper chap" would do, because I am better than every proper chap in this forum. I was offered a store credit TWICE and turned it down. If you had read any of the conversation between me and GOG you would have known that!

I am sticking MY neck out here so passive pansies like you don't have to. I'm trying to get GOG to honestly state what their policies actually are. I am the one boycotting! I am the one who is holding their feet to the fire! I could have easily accepted that credit and bought another game with it and still got to keep Outlaws in the process. I didn't because when push comes to shove GOG says one thing and does another. I don't do business like that.

And about these being old games and we need to accept that they will have problems. That is complete garbage. I can get almost all of the games I own including Outlaws off of another site for free and run them with glitches. I buy from GOG because they are supposed to sell games that work with new OS's. That is the entire point of their service! If you want to take your game crashing your entire computer lying down, that's your prerogative. I won't. When I pay for something I expect it to work within reason. Music not working is not within reason though GOG thinks so. I actually first played Outlaws by downloading it for free. The music didn't work and neither did the cut-scenes. I bought the game from GOG expecting to actually hear the music and see the cut-scenes. See where this is going?
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oldsxcool: See where this is going?
I do see where "it's going". Because I don't feel your angst and I'm not a wound-up-tight ball of pain like you, I'm a "passive pansy". LOL good one. And you're the big justice warrior. I get it. You have 'SJW' tattooed to your forehead.

Bottom line is - we see things differently. And you ofc have the right to feel as you do - but you posited it here publicly, which invites opinions. I gave mine. Suck it up and go get your 'SJW' tramp-stamp and carry on.
And for the record, where you try to give yourself so much credit for the workaround "YOU" discovered...
It's ironic that the second post in the thread had already figured it out and tried to help you, before you even said what your "great discovery" was.

To me the policy is pretty clear. They will issue a refund for serious bugs which do not allow the game to be finished.
On top of that support has a good history of making amends short of that. They did offer you store credit, for example.

But here you are, almost 2 months later complaining over nothing.
You could have taken this credit, but instead use your refusal as some psychotic justification to continue ranting on....
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RWarehall: Seriously, go back to the hole you crawled out of.
Do you have any idea how many old games back in the day had music cut out?
And would you believe restarting the game usually worked?
You are acting like you discovered something that every avid game player didn't know 20 years ago...

I mean c'mon, seriously?
Do you have any idea how many times I've opened and closed a CD bay, or rebooted a program or did a half dozen other things to get music to resume back in the day? And all because the game didn't like when you escape from a video or go to a menu between tracks.

You act like you discovered that? Boy, the ego on you.

The fact is you come off as some spoiled complaining brat. So what if you turned down the refund the people at GoG offered you? This gives you a right to keep complaining like an asshat?

Seriously, you need to get over yourself...
It's an old game. It's a bit quirky on newer systems and you were offered store credit for your troubles.
Seems like decent customer service to me...besides the wait times...
Oh did I strike a nerve? It sucks being called out, doesn't it? I've been PC gaming since DOS 6.22 so Don't tell me about what to expect.

Let me explain something to you. GOG makes old games playable on new systems. That is their calling card. That is why they exist. They have a tech support team that is supposed to assist you when you have a problem with one of their products. They are supposed to help you fix the problem that you are having. If they can't, they are supposed to give you a refund. REFUND! Not a store credit, much less a "one time" store credit. "Store credit" is not even listed in their refund policy.

I put the entire unedited conversation on this thread so that people with atleast half a brain could plainly see exactly what happened and what my intentions were. Still there are plenty of halfwits on this forum who remove what I've said from it's context and have chosen not to read a single word of the original conversation between me and GOG. The people who have actually read my conversation with GOG can all at the very least agree that I had some valid points. You clearly have not read it or cannot comprehend what you've read if you did actually attempt to read it. Again your snarky comments do nothing but make you look dumber. At least you didn't try your hand at anymore failed analogies, so I can give you some credit there.
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RWarehall: Seriously, go back to the hole you crawled out of.
Do you have any idea how many old games back in the day had music cut out?
And would you believe restarting the game usually worked?
You are acting like you discovered something that every avid game player didn't know 20 years ago...

I mean c'mon, seriously?
Do you have any idea how many times I've opened and closed a CD bay, or rebooted a program or did a half dozen other things to get music to resume back in the day? And all because the game didn't like when you escape from a video or go to a menu between tracks.

You act like you discovered that? Boy, the ego on you.

The fact is you come off as some spoiled complaining brat. So what if you turned down the refund the people at GoG offered you? This gives you a right to keep complaining like an asshat?

Seriously, you need to get over yourself...
It's an old game. It's a bit quirky on newer systems and you were offered store credit for your troubles.
Seems like decent customer service to me...besides the wait times...
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oldsxcool: Oh did I strike a nerve? It sucks being called out, doesn't it? I've been PC gaming since DOS 6.22 so Don't tell me about what to expect.

Let me explain something to you. GOG makes old games playable on new systems. That is their calling card. That is why they exist. They have a tech support team that is supposed to assist you when you have a problem with one of their products. They are supposed to help you fix the problem that you are having. If they can't, they are supposed to give you a refund. REFUND! Not a store credit, much less a "one time" store credit. "Store credit" is not even listed in their refund policy.

I put the entire unedited conversation on this thread so that people with atleast half a brain could plainly see exactly what happened and what my intentions were. Still there are plenty of halfwits on this forum who remove what I've said from it's context and have chosen not to read a single word of the original conversation between me and GOG. The people who have actually read my conversation with GOG can all at the very least agree that I had some valid points. You clearly have not read it or cannot comprehend what you've read if you did actually attempt to read it. Again your snarky comments do nothing but make you look dumber. At least you didn't try your hand at anymore failed analogies, so I can give you some credit there.
You are just a fucking jackass. Seriously, fuck off! You are the imbecile with half a fucking brain and your insulting posts to anyone who disagrees with your idiocy just shows this.

You are the halfwit. You are the idiot. You are the nitwit and you are the one who comes off as a total fool.

I've made my point, many others have made theirs and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. Your reaction shows there is something wrong with YOU!
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oldsxcool: I am better than every proper chap in this forum.
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Fairfox: lolz? I'm not sure how insulting everybody on this site helps.

Although chapettes are what it's at.
I didn't intend that as an insult. When I said I was better, did not mean that the good people of this forum were bad by any stretch. I'm simply stating that I haven't seen anyone prepared to challenge GOG and all of the high rep members of this forum only to their name dragged through the mud in order to spark some meaningful conversation among the smarter and more reasonable people on this forum in order to get GOG to change the wording of their refund policy to what it actually means by going into much greater detail what defects in their games qualify for a refund. It would have been a ton less hassle to just take the one time credit GOG offered me after I balk at their first response, and certainly alot more people would have liked me and I perhaps would have had a rep of +18 vs. -18 if I had, but I decided to do one "better" and try to fix the root of this problem. That's all that I was saying.
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oldsxcool: Oh did I strike a nerve? It sucks being called out, doesn't it? I've been PC gaming since DOS 6.22 so Don't tell me about what to expect.

Let me explain something to you. GOG makes old games playable on new systems. That is their calling card. That is why they exist. They have a tech support team that is supposed to assist you when you have a problem with one of their products. They are supposed to help you fix the problem that you are having. If they can't, they are supposed to give you a refund. REFUND! Not a store credit, much less a "one time" store credit. "Store credit" is not even listed in their refund policy.

I put the entire unedited conversation on this thread so that people with atleast half a brain could plainly see exactly what happened and what my intentions were. Still there are plenty of halfwits on this forum who remove what I've said from it's context and have chosen not to read a single word of the original conversation between me and GOG. The people who have actually read my conversation with GOG can all at the very least agree that I had some valid points. You clearly have not read it or cannot comprehend what you've read if you did actually attempt to read it. Again your snarky comments do nothing but make you look dumber. At least you didn't try your hand at anymore failed analogies, so I can give you some credit there.
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RWarehall: You are just a fucking jackass. Seriously, fuck off! You are the imbecile with half a fucking brain and your insulting posts to anyone who disagrees with your idiocy just shows this.

You are the halfwit. You are the idiot. You are the nitwit and you are the one who comes off as a total fool.

I've made my point, many others have made theirs and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. Your reaction shows there is something wrong with YOU!
LOL my reaction? HA!

Go visit another thread where someone actually cares about your over 800 rep points. You know, where you get a thumbs up for agreeing with everyone and not having a single opinion of your own. Certainly don't come to a thread like this one where I have spelled out the facts, no not opinions, facts in black and white and try to distort them in a patheitc attempt make yourself appear superior over others. I'll even upvote your last post just to absolutely make sure everyone sees your genius at work!
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Fairfox: The bug (if you want to classify it as one) most likely can't be fixed right now, as it seems to be an unfortunate limitation with the dll patch. It's definitely a shame, but at least there's a 'workaround', and honestly, while I want it fixed as much as anybody not owning the game at all (digitally) seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Of course some people have different opinions in general, and some are more vocal than others in expressing them, but I'm not sure getting into an immature pissing match with everybody really helps. This has become more about personalities, egos and insults and it's really ugly.
I assure you ego has nothing to do with this. Read the conversation with GOG. As for the pissing matches, I'm letting those people discredit themselves. The egos of the people who do not read the conversation and just want to spew hate at me for saying something against their favorite company will be crushed under the facts that I've provided. This thread is a warning to all of those who are smart enough to read about what happened. If GOG fanboys want to come at me in a feeble attempt to discredit and silence me, I will be waiting and will stand my ground.

I still do own the game. I never took the credit and I found the only known workaround. My beef is that GOG should have found the workaround before selling it to me. They certainly should have investigated the matter to find the workaround when I confronted them about the problem. But they didn't. They told me that it was a known problem and that there was no fix at this time. They left me to fend for myself without honoring their policies. The only place where one could say that I'm cutting my nose to spite my face is the fact that I no longer do business with GOG because of this incident until they want to admit that there is a problem with the fact that they leave their policy as general as possible to be able to twist it later which is straight up dishonest. Above that is the rhetoric of their support staff which is honestly worse than a big box retailer. It's highly possible that I could have bought games after Outlaws and would not have had a single bit of trouble like most of my titles from GOG, but the thought of supporting them after knowing that they value their customers so little makes me want to puke. I'll live without whatever I can't get somewhere else. I have more than enough games between my PC and all of my consoles that it's not killing to boycott GOG until they wanna get their act together. It's way more of a loss to them than it is to me.
thank you oldsxcool for your experience. I had a good experience with gog support for audio from tales of monkey island, but you're right what appen to you it's not good at all, and gog made a very bad impression.
personally I will continue to buy on gog since I have not had your experience, but from now on I will make a lot more attention.
1. GOG did everything right. There is a rating and review page, use it. Even better - before purchase. They offered a refund, maintained neutrality and even not removed this thread.
2. Bugs are part of software, like microbes are part of living tissue. There are good ones, bad ones, known ones and hidden ones. Games without bugs exist, but outside of computing.
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LiefLayer: thank you oldsxcool for your experience. I had a good experience with gog support for audio from tales of monkey island, but you're right what appen to you it's not good at all, and gog made a very bad impression.
personally I will continue to buy on gog since I have not had your experience, but from now on I will make a lot more attention.
You're welcome. BTW I'm not asking anyone to boycott GOG as I have. That's something I'm personally doing. I made this thread to warn people that GOG's policy is not what they say it is.